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I'd rather have a "rebadged BMW".Now people gonna say RC/LC is rebadged Mazda🤦🏻♂️
"Our data show that there's not enough demand for a high performance, fuel efficient, and reliable hybrid product from our customers"Why can't Toyota come up with high enough performance, dynamic, fuel efficient and reliable Lexus hybrids that aren't priced like the LC or LS?
LOL. I am still leaning towards Toyota and Honda just from an overall reliability standpoint but BMW has gained such a following with its B58. I think it bests many powertrains out there and even if carbon deposit builds up, it will probably be noticeable only above 150,000 miles, at which time the first two owners would have replaced it with another vehicle."Our data show that there's not enough demand for a high performance, fuel efficient, and reliable hybrid product from our customers"
The Camry's 5th gen hybrid and 2.5L in a Corolla would be a great little runabout. ~230hp and easily return 45mpg when driven reasonably. The problem is pricing. An AWD Corolla hybrid SE w/ premium package is already a $30k vehicle. Something with uprated diffs and engine is at least a $34k vehicle. The improvements that come with a real GR car (+70hp, big brake kit, wide body) start looking like a bargain for another $6k. I also think that $35k range is where a lot of crossovers start entering the equation. That's the defacto car these days when you get to the $35k range and there's going to be a lot of people thinking about the additional flexibility that they get by jumping to the larger Rav or the dozen other CUV options for $35k.LOL. I am still leaning towards Toyota and Honda just from an overall reliability standpoint but BMW has gained such a following with its B58. I think it bests many powertrains out there and even if carbon deposit builds up, it will probably be noticeable only above 150,000 miles, at which time the first two owners would have replaced it with another vehicle.
Only issue with the B58 is even if its sip fuel on the highway at 70 to 80, it's still almost double the fuel consumption compared to what I get driving my CT200h gently.
If anyone can come up with a 35-40 US mpg fun HEV with a more advance differential, I'm sure there will be takers like me. At that point, there would be little reason to go for a BEV until battery technology has significantly improved. Sure it won't be for the car people or the fuel misers but at least capture the segment that cares about both practicality and drivability.
I think there are some like me that are fine with a 6 seconds 0-60 as long as the fuel economy is 50% more than say the BMW B58 both in city and highway driving.The Camry's 5th gen hybrid and 2.5L in a Corolla would be a great little runabout. ~230hp and easily return 45mpg when driven reasonably. The problem is pricing. An AWD Corolla hybrid SE w/ premium package is already a $30k vehicle. Something with uprated diffs and engine is at least a $34k vehicle. The improvements that come with a real GR car (+70hp, big brake kit, wide body) start looking like a bargain for another $6k. I also think that $35k range is where a lot of crossovers start entering the equation. That's the defacto car these days when you get to the $35k range and there's going to be a lot of people thinking about the additional flexibility that they get by jumping to the larger Rav or the dozen other CUV options for $35k.
I think the other side of it is just how hybrids feel. I think the modern ones feel peppy and do drive really nicely as far as passing power, but they don't feel like sports cars and definitely don't put the numbers up on 0-60 -- which is really important for a lot of people buying sporty cars.
FWIW, Toyota has been using this spring loaded side gear on the differentials for a while. It is a spring washer on the back of the gear that the axles spline into and provides a little resistance to the axles spinning at different speeds. Essentially, it raises that ceiling a little bit for the torque differential required to allow the diff to "open". Not an LSD by any means.
Yeah, I just saw the article lol. SH-SH-AWD for the win over at Acura. Lexus should come up with its own sportier hybrid line ups.![]()
Acura Delays EV-Only Future, Considers Adding Hybrids | Carscoops
Honda currently offers hybrid versions of the Accord, CR-V, and Civicwww.carscoops.com
Even Acura knows to pull back before it’s too late🤦🏻♂️Do something Lexus!
One of the reasons why Toyota can just shrug off every financial crisis lol.But knowing Toyota, the mostly likely outcome is they will just keep performance and prices the same, and make extra profit. They are not the kind of company that passes cost reduction benefits to customers.
The LFR is the brand’s last hope, and if they mess it up, there will be nothing to look forward to in Lexus’ future performance lineup.Soon, the RC and IS are gone, and so the LC. LS will continue, but it is not like it sells, and ES will get an update but nothing new. In one year the lineup will be dead, except the the usual NX, RX, and GX and TX in NA. The rest is UX, LBX, LX and RZ. One step from being a SUV brand.
Just don’t see what the Lexus GR can stand for in such a lineup.
Except the IS has ANOTHER refresh but apparently it's the new 2.0LT. Just another lazy attempt imo, they've been dragging this platform for 20 years now.Soon, the RC and IS are gone, and so the LC. LS will continue, but it is not like it sells, and ES will get an update but nothing new. In one year the lineup will be dead, except the the usual NX, RX, and GX and TX in NA. The rest is UX, LBX, LX and RZ. One step from being a SUV brand.
Just don’t see what the Lexus GR can stand for in such a lineup.
The reason that kept my wife and me from looking at Acura was its complete lack of hybrids. My wife is (was) a Honda fan but Honda's lack of affordable plug-in hybrids, not to mention that Honda only offers the hybrid powertrain on its highest, most-expensive trims turned her away from Honda hybrids. She has now switched to the Prius Prime and is happy with it.![]()
Acura Delays EV-Only Future, Considers Adding Hybrids | Carscoops
Honda currently offers hybrid versions of the Accord, CR-V, and Civicwww.carscoops.com
Even Acura knows to pull back before it’s too late🤦🏻♂️Do something Lexus!