Official Lexus Future Product & Powertrain Megathread

[NomadDan]

The Camry's 5th gen hybrid and 2.5L in a Corolla would be a great little runabout. ~230hp and easily return 45mpg when driven reasonably. The problem is pricing. An AWD Corolla hybrid SE w/ premium package is already a $30k vehicle. Something with uprated diffs and engine is at least a $34k vehicle. The improvements that come with a real GR car (+70hp, big brake kit, wide body) start looking like a bargain for another $6k. I also think that $35k range is where a lot of crossovers start entering the equation. That's the defacto car these days when you get to the $35k range and there's going to be a lot of people thinking about the additional flexibility that they get by jumping to the larger Rav or the dozen other CUV options for $35k.

I drove a Corolla Touring Sport Hybrid wagon when I was in Norway. I actually really liked that car. Super practical and it seemed to get pretty good mileage. I would love something similar here in the US, but I agree about the pricing. Such a car would need to be bellow $30 or $35k. A GR Corolla Sport Wagon with the new 2.0, 6spd, and AWD would be VERY enticing.

I really like the Crown Signia, but at the price those are going for, I'd rather have a Tacoma or 4Runner with the better resale value. Still, I'm keeping an eye out for a potential good deal on one.

 

[dylanfoos]

Toyota is revving up to ramp up its manufacturing, urging its U.S. dealer network to get prepared for more vehicles to sell on showroom floors—with more than 20 new, refreshed, or special edition models set to debut in 2025.

Toyota tells dealers to prepare for more inventory

Toyota says it will introduce roughly 24 all-new, refreshed or special edition Toyota and Lexus vehicles.

news.dealershipguy.com

 

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I drove a Corolla Touring Sport Hybrid wagon when I was in Norway. I actually really liked that car. Super practical and it seemed to get pretty good mileage. I would love something similar here in the US, but I agree about the pricing. Such a car would need to be bellow $30 or $35k. A GR Corolla Sport Wagon with the new 2.0, 6spd, and AWD would be VERY enticing.

I really like the Crown Signia, but at the price those are going for, I'd rather have a Tacoma or 4Runner with the better resale value. Still, I'm keeping an eye out for a potential good deal on one.

I'm surprised Toyota didn't bring in the Crown Sport to our shores. I think I read in some reviews it had a torque vectoring differential.

Most, like me, don't need Porsche level of handling dynamics but with TVD, at least that's one additional safety/performance measure. TVD should not be relegated to Toyota trucks.

 

[NomadDan]

I'm surprised Toyota didn't bring in the Crown Sport to our shores. I think I read in some reviews it had a torque vectoring differential.

Most, like me, don't need Porsche level of handling dynamics but with TVD, at least that's one additional safety/performance measure. TVD should not be relegated to Toyota trucks.

I absolutely love the design of the Crown Sport. IMO, it's the best looking unibody SUV Toyota has ever sold. If Toyota offered it in the US, I'd be very tempted to pick one up.

 

[NomadDan]

Do we know how much similarities there are between the G16E and G20E? Is the G20E a G16E with one additional cylinder and slightly shorter stroke? Is the new 1.5 4-cylinder also part of the G series? G15E?

 

[qtb007]

Do we know how much similarities there are between the G16E and G20E? Is the G20E a G16E with one additional cylinder and slightly shorter stroke? Is the new 1.5 4-cylinder also part of the G series? G15E?

Based on the photos... no.

G16E has the timing chain inside a cast cavity in the head and block, G20E uses a typical 2 piece timing chain cover. D4 fuel injectors are beside the ignitors on the G20E (same as T24A) versus mounted below the intake ports on the G16E. Those two items make for pretty big structural differences to the head and block and pretty firmly put the G20E as an evolution of the T24A, IMO. I'm not seeing a cam housing on the G20E which does make it more similar to the G16E and different than the T24A. Oil pump looks like it is probably chain driven like the T24A / A25A rather than directly crank driven like the G16E.

I haven't seen photos of the 1.5L.

https://www.motor1.com/photos/883832/new-toyota-four-cylinder-engines/#7780473_new-toyota-20-liter-engine

Toyota engines - G16E-GTS

Toyota's new sports engine overview (G16E-GTS)

toyota-club.net

 

[NomadDan]

Based on the photos... no.

G16E has the timing chain inside a cast cavity in the head and block, G20E uses a typical 2 piece timing chain cover. D4 fuel injectors are beside the ignitors on the G20E (same as T24A) versus mounted below the intake ports on the G16E. Those two items make for pretty big structural differences to the head and block and pretty firmly put the G20E as an evolution of the T24A, IMO. I'm not seeing a cam housing on the G20E which does make it more similar to the G16E and different than the T24A. Oil pump looks like it is probably chain driven like the T24A / A25A rather than directly crank driven like the G16E.

I haven't seen photos of the 1.5L.

https://www.motor1.com/photos/883832/new-toyota-four-cylinder-engines/#7780473_new-toyota-20-liter-engine

Toyota engines - G16E-GTS

Toyota's new sports engine overview (G16E-GTS)

toyota-club.net

Awesome. That's some good info. Thank you. I assumed there was more in common between the two, but it seems that's not the case.

 

[ssun30]

I wonder why the G20E has the turbocharger mounted so high. It's parallel with the cylinder head. Isn't it bad for center of gravity? On the G16E it's mounted lower than the cylinder head.

 

[Sulu]

Awesome. That's some good info. Thank you. I assumed there was more in common between the two, but it seems that's not the case.

Judging by the common engine code prefix ("G"), I believe that there must be some commonality between the G16 and the G20. Toyota's engine codes have a logic behind them -- you just have to know what that logic is. I believe you are right and it is a shared bore dimension.

 

[ssun30]

Judging by the common engine code prefix ("G"), I believe that there must be some commonality between the G16 and the G20. Toyota's engine codes have a logic behind them -- you just have to know what that logic is. I believe you are right and it is a shared bore dimension.

Toyota originally intended for the same engine code to have shared displacement per cylinder. 500cc = M and... that's it. Each engine other than the M family all had unique displacement per cylinder that the engine codes stopped making sense. The same bore diameter (87.5mm) is now shared by 3 families (A, T, G).

Toyota seems to not believe in the "golden displacement" of 500cc/cylinder and modular engines. Because of that they struggle in markets with displacement taxes.

The problem with 500cc/cylinder is that they will struggle to build reliable and competitive engines for BOF trucks. 2.0T and 3.0T are too small for mid-size and full-size trucks without running really high boost which leads to worse response and reliability. Ideally a global brand would need 9 different displacements to cover the full lineup in the most countries possible (0.66/1.0/1.2/1.5/2.0/2.5/3.0/3.5/4.0).

 

[NomadDan]

I wonder why the G20E has the turbocharger mounted so high. It's parallel with the cylinder head. Isn't it bad for center of gravity? On the G16E it's mounted lower than the cylinder head.

I wondered the same. Maybe it offers better strut tower or steering shaft clearance on RWD applications? 2JZ engines with aftermarket turbos tend to have pretty high mounted turbos as well.

 

[qtb007]

I wondered the same. Maybe it offers better strut tower or steering shaft clearance on RWD applications? 2JZ engines with aftermarket turbos tend to have pretty high mounted turbos as well.

In an FF configuration, as shown in the photo below, the turbo being mounted high still doesn't make it the highest point in the engine thanks to the fact that the engine sits at an angle in the chassis.

The T24 has the catalysts making somewhat of an S shape as the exhaust moves down along the side of the block before heading to the back of the car. There some packaging advantage to doing this because the engine runs parallel to the firewall. The turbo can kinda hide in that space under the cowl while the exhaust takes the space below. The T24 FR version -- like in Tacoma and 4Runner -- has the turbo swinging down. There's probably a little more flexibility as far as exhaust routing since the exhaust side of the engine is not facing the firewall. I believe that a lot of the hybrid components end up mounted above the turbo in the iforce max versions.

IMO, the photos of the G20 look like the FF version rather than the FR version.

 

[dylanfoos]

Some more hoopla from Best Car... Another speculation, "Although it will be an integrated vehicle, it is likely to be a luxury coupe in a class similar to the LC."

The name and powertrain is still unkown.

 

[F1 Silver Arrows]

Some more hoopla from Best Car... Another speculation, "Although it will be an integrated vehicle, it is likely to be a luxury coupe in a class similar to the LC."

The name and powertrain is still unkown.

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I'm starting to not really trust the crap that is coming out of BestCar now. They've been having misses during the past several months.

 

[carguy420]

I'm starting to not really trust the crap that is coming out of BestCar now. They've been having misses during the past several months.

Yep, also now Best Car is saying the next gen 86 will be powered by a naturally aspirated version of the G20E lol. Just absolutely all over the place.

新開発の[2L直4・NAエンジン]搭載？　新型トヨタ [GR86]は2026年登場!? - 自動車情報誌「ベストカー」

Webでも紙のベストカーでも何度かお伝えしている次期型トヨタ GR86/スバル BRZの話題。開発がスバル主導からトヨタ主導となり、BRZの「B」を揺るがす「水平対向ではなくなる」との情報お伝えしていたが､最新情報ではどうなった!?

bestcarweb.jp

 

[Gor134]

To be fair, I think what BestCar does is get insight on what's being proposed and considered for development from people working at Toyota internally. Meaning, it's not necessarily out of the questions that they're considering all of these options, but it's not concrete nor set in stone.

 

[sl0519]

Some more hoopla from Best Car... Another speculation, "Although it will be an integrated vehicle, it is likely to be a luxury coupe in a class similar to the LC."

The name and powertrain is still unkown.

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Without a proper I6, this product is gonna be DOA.

 

[Kelvin2020]

I heard from my sources that there will be an EV strategy update in the Chinese market, I think it’s related to LFZL

 

[Kelvin2020]

 

[ssun30]

An EV Coupe... interesting