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To be fair, I have gotten the Best Car magazines for the last year and i think the LC + RC replacement was in there at least 4 out of the 12 issues. I have a little hope 🙏
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You cannot divide JDM price by exchange rate and get the US price. In fact, the difference between "exchange rate price" and real price is exactly how international brands especially Japanese ones make money, weak Yen = more revenue. They barely make any money in the domestic market because of the almost constant price levels in the past 30 years.
Japanese car brands have mostly used a 100:1 ratio for JDM to NA prices since 1990s. $200k is a very reasonable guess.
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Hope is never a plan but it sure sounds good
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The article emphasizes USD price points as well below 200k. But again this is heavy speculation nobody of course knows what the target will be. I personally think anything near 200k will be commercially confusing as it will be compared to other cars that will probably have more aggressive performance outputs and deltas and the reviewers again will beg the question of viability returning us to same perpetual position Lexus places themselves in. Someone at TMC must understand this....well i hope. The situation of paying for car reviews because of a hyper niche product due to pricing beyond market expectations should be a lesson learned for the brand. One can brag about Takumis and factories but at the end of the day if its priced beyond the market's demand for it especially coming from its historical issue with the LFA. It may fall on an audience that really just wants Lexus stand out of its own way. Buyers may not get it which leads to sales not making sense and you again wait for the current best car you make to be destined for a collector's storage unit.
I say 200k to me is not reasonable for a Lexus GT in terms of it being something that will actually sell. If the goal is to repeat the LFAs sales projections at a 50% +/- discount fine but if they want to sell this car and i say this time and time again....stay away from the ZR1 or anything at a 200k Price point because the consumers at that level are buying exotics and cars that will probably have higher performance deltas if we know how Lexus constrains themselves due to their own ethos.
If this LFR is 200k+ with no M4 segment priced car and its just the LFR that price point. Thats a rough day for many many fans.
We shall see.....
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More photos of the rear engine GR Yaris. The engine isn’t as far off-center as I would’ve thought. I’m super curious how the front driveshaft is routed. Is it even 4WD? Earlier photos seemed to show the front diff and CV axles, but maybe that was actually the rear CV axles?
So the driveshaft to the front wheels goes under the engine or through the oil pan?
I’m pretty intrigued by all this.
Toyota didn't mention about this, but I'm betting it goes underneath the engine because the oil pan doesn't look like it has much space for a built-in driveshaft to past through.
Nice find! That’s wild. I love that Toyota is thinking outside the box with this. It gives me a bit of excitement for the brand. Hopefully this drivetrain makes it to production in the MR2.
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Lexus should take note
It doesn't matter a 2.0 I4 can make 600PS. People won't buy it. Stop imagining what people want and actually look at what's selling well on the market.
It doesn't matter a 2.0 I4 can make 600PS. People won't buy it. Stop imagining what people want and actually look at what's selling well on the market.
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Maybe they are taking note. The latest rumor from Best Car indicates that Mazda is co-developing the next Supra with Toyota. Mazda is also rumored to be making a new straight-six sports car. That engine would also be used in the next gen Supra and possibly the LC+RC replacement. I will have an article coming out this week possibly outlining the whole thing.
The Mazda I6 has all the bad things with German engines but none of the benefits. It has very poor serviceability, is over complicated, but doesn't have the power nor the smoothness.
Toyota basically has to redevelop a sporty variant from scratch if they want to make the engine usable on the Supra or RC and it will be almost impossible to match the last gen with the B58. It would be even easier for them to develop a petrol variant of the F33A-FTV diesel engine which was engineered like a super car engine.
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The Mazda engine is not acceptable for a Toyota GR Supra.
People need to stop obsessing over this. I'll even go as far as saying that it will be DOA. The first couple of buyers will buy them but once they see that it will be nowhere near as good as the A90 sales will be as just as bad as the Nissan Z.
The best way forward for them is to join 2 G16E-GTS blocks to make an inline-six. No 4-cylinders, no V6, and no Mazda inline-six.
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I feel like the A100 will be their debut moment for this new high performance 2.0T I4 (for better or worse). Maybe I'm wrong?
I hope Toyota has plans to further develop and optimize the V35A because I'd love to see them keep a 6-cylinder engine option in the lineup. It's needed in larger trucks, SUVs, and performance products. The ongoing main bearing failures are obviously concerning but I have to believe there's something there that's salvageable and worth iterating on...?
I care less about cylinders and more about NVH and effortless power delivery, and I don't see myself ever owning another 4cylinder vehicle for that reason. I would be more tempted to go straight EV than into a 4cyl hybrid.
I hope Toyota has plans to further develop and optimize the V35A because I'd love to see them keep a 6-cylinder engine option in the lineup. It's needed in larger trucks, SUVs, and performance products. The ongoing main bearing failures are obviously concerning but I have to believe there's something there that's salvageable and worth iterating on...?
I care less about cylinders and more about NVH and effortless power delivery, and I don't see myself ever owning another 4cylinder vehicle for that reason. I would be more tempted to go straight EV than into a 4cyl hybrid.
Honestly, a petrol/gasoline version of F33A-FTV would be pretty great, considering how strong and rigid heavy-duty turbodiesel engine blocks need to be to stay in one piece.