Official Lexus Future Product & Powertrain Megathread

[Ali Manai]

Just because it costs 140k in japan doesn't mean it would cost the same elsewhere with shipping taxes and other cost that would push the car price near 200k

 

[dylanfoos]

MagX has been the only one speculating about the LC + RC model and I'm doubtful it's actually going to happen.

Looking at the lineup, it's clear Lexus has mostly ceased development of ICE models after the LFR. Even the next ES will only have one HEV model with two BEV models... after that, there are no other implied trademarks or model discussions for ICE Lexus products, and allegedly they're still planning to be fully electric in a decade.

Maybe "SC" will happen but I am doubtful.

To be fair, I have gotten the Best Car magazines for the last year and i think the LC + RC replacement was in there at least 4 out of the 12 issues. I have a little hope 🙏

 

[ssun30]

I don't know how one comes up with that as a "definitely." Multiple Mags and even Best Car, stated sources at Toyota have suggested a price not exceeding ¥20 million or around $140,000. This was promoted pretty heavily in the Japanese car mag scene. I haven't seen anything saying Lexus is building a 200K+ car and honestly, if the LFR was priced at 200k with no car underneath it...sadly that would be quite frankly a bizarre market movement and most certainly in my view negativity effect the product to the extreme niche status once again.

You cannot divide JDM price by exchange rate and get the US price. In fact, the difference between "exchange rate price" and real price is exactly how international brands especially Japanese ones make money, weak Yen = more revenue. They barely make any money in the domestic market because of the almost constant price levels in the past 30 years.

Japanese car brands have mostly used a 100:1 ratio for JDM to NA prices since 1990s. $200k is a very reasonable guess.

 

[Randen Montalvo]

To be fair, I have gotten the Best Car magazines for the last year and i think the LC + RC replacement was in there at least 4 out of the 12 issues. I have a little hope 🙏

Hope is never a plan but it sure sounds good

 

[Randen Montalvo]

Just because it costs 140k in japan doesn't mean it would cost the same elsewhere with shipping taxes and other cost that would push the car price near 200k

The article emphasizes USD price points as well below 200k. But again this is heavy speculation nobody of course knows what the target will be. I personally think anything near 200k will be commercially confusing as it will be compared to other cars that will probably have more aggressive performance outputs and deltas and the reviewers again will beg the question of viability returning us to same perpetual position Lexus places themselves in. Someone at TMC must understand this....well i hope. The situation of paying for car reviews because of a hyper niche product due to pricing beyond market expectations should be a lesson learned for the brand. One can brag about Takumis and factories but at the end of the day if its priced beyond the market's demand for it especially coming from its historical issue with the LFA. It may fall on an audience that really just wants Lexus stand out of its own way. Buyers may not get it which leads to sales not making sense and you again wait for the current best car you make to be destined for a collector's storage unit.

I say 200k to me is not reasonable for a Lexus GT in terms of it being something that will actually sell. If the goal is to repeat the LFAs sales projections at a 50% +/- discount fine but if they want to sell this car and i say this time and time again....stay away from the ZR1 or anything at a 200k Price point because the consumers at that level are buying exotics and cars that will probably have higher performance deltas if we know how Lexus constrains themselves due to their own ethos.

If this LFR is 200k+ with no M4 segment priced car and its just the LFR that price point. Thats a rough day for many many fans.

We shall see.....

 

[internalaudit]

Current NX platform wouldn’t be great. RX or RX or LBX would be betterZ

Also not our NX 450h+ doesn’t get torque vectoring but oddly the rav-4 prime does

What's the TVD called on the RAV4 Prime?

Definitely didn't know about that.