Official Lexus Future Product & Powertrain Megathread

[CRSKTN]

 

[Kelvin2020]

An EV Coupe... interesting

At first, I thought it was the EV supercar, but then I realized aren’t their halo products supposed to be manufactured at the Motomachi plant? Tahara doesn’t make sense to me. The only coupe from Tahara is the RC, so maybe this car is the RC/IS successor?

 

[CRSKTN]

I believe it’s the EV Supercar

Wouldnt that be the Motomachi plant?

Id bet this one is an RC/LC replacement.

 

[Kelvin2020]

Wouldnt that be the Motomachi plant?

Id bet this one is an RC/LC replacement.

Yes, I was thinking the same thing later. It should be the RC successor or maybe they bring back the IS coupe 🤔

 

[Gecko]

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Do you have a source for where this came from? Article coming soon...

 

[Kelvin2020]

Do you have a source for where this came from? Article coming soon...

Got this from my friend in China, and this website also mentioned it, but it’s only available under a subscription.

レクサスEV、27年までに新たに4車種投入　高い競争力目指し開発進める：ニュース：中日BIZナビ

中日BIZナビ

biz.chunichi.co.jp

 

[Gecko]

Thank you sir!

 

[internalaudit]

Besides higher torsional rigidity and easier ingress and egress owing to wider and longer doors, what's so special about coupes anyway? Lexus will probably sell 5x (likely more) as many IS compared to RC

I bought an 11 Accord coupe because the sedan was not good looking but I knew it was less practical. I wouldn't buy another coupe if a sedan with liftback was offered ala i4 or Audis, and had similar styling.

Good news overall though with these new offerings.

 

[Levi]

Besides higher torsional rigidity and easier ingress and egress owing to wider and longer doors, what's so special about coupes anyway? Lexus will probably sell 5x (likely more) as many IS compared to RC

I bought an 11 Accord coupe because the sedan was not good looking but I knew it was less practical. I wouldn't buy another coupe if a sedan with liftback was offered ala i4 or Audis, and had similar styling.

Good news overall though with these new offerings.

Most people drive alone or with one passenger. Coupes look good (if well proportioned). Small sedans do not have spacious rear seats, they are occasional use, so having two less doors is not any less practical.
In terms of practicality, nothing will beat a van, and a van can be made to be as dynamic to drive if not more than a SUV. New SUV ground clearance are now so negligible anyway.

 

[internalaudit]

Most people drive alone or with one passenger. Coupes look good (if well proportioned). Small sedans do not have spacious rear seats, they are occasional use, so having two less doors is not any less practical.
In terms of practicality, nothing will beat a van, and a van can be made to be as dynamic to drive if not more than a SUV. New SUV ground clearance are now so negligible anyway.

The only time a coupe will/can look better is from the side profile. The front and rear can be indistinguishable .

And many people complain they only have one car in their household lol.

A van is not practical 90% of the time. It is long, bug, snd less furl efficient.

I think you are confusing functionality with practically.

 

[qtb007]

Besides higher torsional rigidity and easier ingress and egress owing to wider and longer doors, what's so special about coupes anyway?

The first generation Impreza sedan had better torsional rigidity than the coupe version because the coupe was literally just longer doors and the B pillar moved back ~6" on the sedan body. This meant the coupe had a bigger hole in the middle of the car but nothing additional to account for the big hole. The windows were frameless on both models, too, so the doors did very little in the way of stiffening the chassis.

Of course, that was also a platform designed in the late 80s/early 90s, so maybe not very relevant today. I'd expect that automakers are a lot better about keeping the rigidity basically the same from something like a M4 and an M3 because they consider it from the outset.

The one time I had a 2 door, I hated getting in and out of it because of the long doors. It was fine in an open parking lot, but parked beside other cars or in my single car, 3rd bay garage, it was a total pain.

 

[internalaudit]

The first generation Impreza sedan had better torsional rigidity than the coupe version because the coupe was literally just longer doors and the B pillar moved back ~6" on the sedan body. This meant the coupe had a bigger hole in the middle of the car but nothing additional to account for the big hole. The windows were frameless on both models, too, so the doors did very little in the way of stiffening the chassis.

Of course, that was also a platform designed in the late 80s/early 90s, so maybe not very relevant today. I'd expect that automakers are a lot better about keeping the rigidity basically the same from something like a M4 and an M3 because they consider it from the outset.

The one time I had a 2 door, I hated getting in and out of it because of the long doors. It was fine in an open parking lot, but parked beside other cars or in my single car, 3rd bay garage, it was a total pain.

That's my experience in my Accord coupe. The door is so long that if space is tight, it can be difficult getting out. The Accord coupe is shorter and sits lower compared to the sedan.

I really hated the sedan at that time that I went for the impractical coupe lol.

 

[ssun30]

Getting in and out in tight parking spaces is my biggest complaint with my 440i. But it looks way better than the F30 340i.

The F32 has a surprising amount of rear seat space (comparable to F30) and none of the G generation coupes (including the 8) can match it.

 

[internalaudit]

Anyone else think Honda is going to be taking more ICEV/HEV market share (not necessarily from Toyota)? Was told in Japan, eAWD hybrids already ply the roads there.

As much as I'd like to consider a UX300h, unless used, a Civic hybrid e-AWD may be more compelling. Hoping Lexus innovates and comes up with really great hybrid vehicles, over and beyond the e-AWD variants that we know are nothing but traction aids at some speed.

Honda Presents Next-generation e:HEV Technologies at Press Briefing on Honda e:HEV Business and Technology | Honda Global Corporate Website

Honda Global | Honda Motor Co., Ltd. held a press briefing to introduce the direction of its hybrid-electric vehicle (HEV) business and the latest advancement made to its original 2-motor hybrid system, Honda e:HEV.

global.honda

 

[CRSKTN]

Not to be a **** but you understand this is a luxury brand right?

You think their sales roadmap revolves around used car buyers and honda cross shoppers?

Everyone wants to move upmarket specifically to avoid a market of people like that

Picky budget consumers are the highest effort per dollar sale.

 

[Levi]

Picky budget buyers are entirely car manufacturers fault. Mainstream brand prices are too high (justified or not is another topic), and “premium” cars are too easily “affordable” though leasing, some car makers promote.

 

[internalaudit]

Not to be a **** but you understand this is a luxury brand right?

You think their sales roadmap revolves around used car buyers and honda cross shoppers?

Everyone wants to move upmarket specifically to avoid a market of people like that

Picky budget consumers are the highest effort per dollar sale.

You are definitely not an a** lol BUT:

What is so luxurious about many of these Lexus vehicles besides a more silent cabin interior? The interior of some of the Lexus vehicles are even worse looking / asymmetric than basic Honda products.

The e-AWD systems on Lexus vehicles are not that great, sure, better than many FWD or RWD vehicles.

Where' the value proposition in a Lexus vehicle? I'm not talking the high-end but the low to mid-end? Let's take away reliability for the time being.

Leasing or financing makes any of these vehicles more affordable anyway as Levi correctly mentioned. If many Lexus (within my reach) don't meet what I think is a premium or luxury segment vehicle, then why bother at all, right?

 

[internalaudit]

Picky budget buyers are entirely car manufacturers fault. Mainstream brand prices are too high (justified or not is another topic), and “premium” cars are too easily “affordable” though leasing, some car makers promote.

The problem is not that there is overlap among the buying segments, at least to me. There's always exotics for those who want exclusivity, no need to raise premium car segment pricing and alienate well-heeled households.

The problem is that features on many premium vehicles aren't what many well-heeled (but not affluent) buyers want.

When I was growing up, my dad's 190E and 260E were head and shoulders above what was available in our local car market, mostly Japanese vehicles.

Today, Mercedes' interior and exterior styling don't impress me.

When Lexus released the 4th gen Camry and the accompanying ES in the mid-90's, the two vehicles had enough differentiation besides interior and exterior styling. Today, what's making an ES that much better than a Camry or Avalon?

 

[CRSKTN]

You are definitely not an a** lol BUT:

What is so luxurious about many of these mansions besides a nicer interior?

Where' the value proposition in luxury re estate? I'm not talking the high-end but the low to mid-end? Let's take away quality for the time being.

Leasing or financing makes any of these properties more affordable anyway as Levi correctly mentioned. If many luxury properties (within my budget of $350,000) don't meet what I think is a premium or luxury segment vehicle, then why bother at all, right?

"If the lowest end offerings dont appeal to a market with no money to spend, what even is the point of being a luxury company"

That is a wild take.

 

[internalaudit]

"If the lowest end offerings dont appeal to a market with no money to spend, what even is the point of being a luxury company"

That is a wild take.

I don't know where you quoted that but that's definitely not from me. If that's your way to distort my post, then you really are an a** lol.

I don't try to dictate what people want to spend their money on. It's their hard earned money.

I don't try to dictate what manufacturers should build, I just pay premium for what I think is premium or pay standard for what I think is a run of the mill vehicle if that's what I'm after.

That's the problem with fan bois. You like to defend companies when you may not even be compensated for your effort.