Official Lexus Future Product & Powertrain Megathread

[Gecko]

MagX has been the only one speculating about the LC + RC model and I'm doubtful it's actually going to happen.

Looking at the lineup, it's clear Lexus has mostly ceased development of ICE models after the LFR. Even the next ES will only have one HEV model with two BEV models... after that, there are no other implied trademarks or model discussions for ICE Lexus products, and allegedly they're still planning to be fully electric in a decade.

Maybe "SC" will happen but I am doubtful.

 

[Gecko]

Something interesting here...

“Toyota was planning to exhibit the Lexus SUV "F" model at the Tokyo Auto Salon, which starts tomorrow. However, this was suddenly canceled just before the opening.

To summarize the intention of the exhibit, Toyota decided to set a high-performance model for its SUVs in order to avoid leaving the "F" brand hanging in the balance after the decision to discontinue the RC-F model. To demonstrate this intention, they had planned to run a pre-development vehicle on the Nürburgring and then exhibit it at the venue.
However, the development of the 2L in-line 4-cylinder turbo engine was delayed, making it impossible to conduct a field test at the Nürburgring, so instead they had planned to exhibit a "mock" study model, but this was canceled.

The reason for the cancellation is unclear, but it is possible that Morizo instructed, "Don't put up fakes that haven't even been run." However, since the theme of the booth, "Making cars at the Nürburgring," cannot be changed at this point, those involved may be racking their brains over what kind of presentation to make and how to lay out the vehicles in the booth”

MagX

Interesting. The only "SUV" F trademark is RZ F and this mentions the 2.0T engine, which wouldn't work in an RZ.

It would be wild if Lexus was working on an NX F or RX F... those seem like the most logical cases for a 2.0T high performance engine, right?

 

[CRSKTN]

https://www.motor1.com/news/746836/toyota-mid-engine-gr-yaris/

Toyota Built a Mid-Engine Hot Hatch​

Could the GR Yaris M Concept pave the way for the MR2's return?​

The Yaris might be an econobox at its core, but the GR Yaris is an entirely different animal. With 300 horsepower and all-wheel drive, it can keep play in the same league with the bigger GR Corolla equipped with the identical three-cylinder 1.6-liter engine. For the 2025 Tokyo Auto Salon, Toyota made the hot hatch even hotter by putting a bigger powertrain behind the seats. Yes, this Yaris has a mid-engine layout.

Toyota installed a new engine rather than the small "G16E-GTS" unit in the GR Yaris, GR Corolla, and the Lexus LBX Morizo RR. The work-in-progress turbocharged "G20E" has four cylinders and a 2.0-liter displacement. The Japanese brand calls it an "underdeveloped" powertrain, which suggests it's part of the new "game-changing" engine family that Toyota is engineering. Whether the GR Yaris M Concept is rear- or all-wheel drive is unclear.

 

[Gor134]

MagX has been the only one speculating about the LC + RC model and I'm doubtful it's actually going to happen.

I agree,

And their speculation on a 2GR and T24a??? Nope definitely not happening. If Lexus was continuing to invest in ICE RWD with a new platform then maybe I'd get it, or if there was a new Supra it would share a platform with.

I think A100 will be on hiatus for a few years while the Celiac and MR2 take the mainstage for 3-4 years and then return as an EV Sports car. That's just me though and I would love more than anything to be proven wrong with an in-house G30e i6 and bespoke Toyota+Lexus Supra/LC twins using this engine.

 

[ssun30]

Toyota will NOT be developing a new I6 engine since
1) they would inevitably want to put the engine in their BOF trucks for commonality. And currently anything longer than a V6 will interfere with the packaging of E-KDSS.
2) they would want to use the engine for racing, and I6 has a very heavy crankshaft with poor torsional rigidity making it bad for motorsports.

Any configuration of 6-cylinder engine will have some sort of compromise, that's why every proper luxury brand needs a V8.

 

[Kelvin2020]

MagX has been the only one speculating about the LC + RC model and I'm doubtful it's actually going to happen.

Looking at the lineup, it's clear Lexus has mostly ceased development of ICE models after the LFR. Even the next ES will only have one HEV model with two BEV models... after that, there are no other implied trademarks or model discussions for ICE Lexus products, and allegedly they're still planning to be fully electric in a decade.

Maybe "SC" will happen but I am doubtful.

Same here, I’ll believe it only when I see it. There have been too many rumors from Lexus lately.

 

[sl0519]

I think A100 will be on hiatus for a few years while the Celiac and MR2 take the mainstage for 3-4 years and then return as an EV Sports car. That's just me though and I would love more than anything to be proven wrong with an in-house G30e i6 and bespoke Toyota+Lexus Supra/LC twins using this engine.

You guys sure know how to daydream lol......I’d love to be proven wrong too but honestly, I just don’t see any hope.

 

[Gecko]

The other thing that gives me pause about an "SC" return is they'll soon have the LFR, and they can use that in most, if not all, of their racing programs.

If so, there's no real need for an "SC" or anything similar.

 

[Randen Montalvo]

The other thing that gives me pause about an "SC" return is they'll soon have the LFR, and they can use that in most, if not all, of their racing programs.

If so, there's no real need for an "SC" or anything similar.

Well it could be price point-based reason. The "LFR" price point is rumored to be 120k+/- car. The SC could be a M4/4 Series Segment car price point that will fit below that and offer two coupes as Lexus has done recently. However its hard to really put a pulse on what Lexus is doing as most of what everyone even this forum has speculated never really pans out. Lexus is very very hard to understand with its product offerings in the performance space. Quite frankly its probably one of the hardest brands to understand that i have ever seen. When one thinks they have their road map panned the releases never line up. Quite the X-Files level atmosphere in terms of the unknown. I'm keenly watching what TMC does with Lexus as of now i dont quite get it. I get the speculation but i don't quite get the actual moves at this moment with Lexus, especially in North America with its performance brand or segmented cars. Very interesting indeed, however im staying objective until we get some facts.

 

[Gor134]

The "LFR" price point is rumored to be 120k+/- car

I don't see how this bespoke specialized car can only be 20k more than an LC. It'll definitely be close to or more than 200k.

 

[mikeavelli]

An F model Lexus could be an NX. Drop the new 2.0t in it and give it the LBX treatment.

Current NX platform wouldn’t be great. RX or RX or LBX would be betterZ

Also not our NX 450h+ doesn’t get torque vectoring but oddly the rav-4 prime does

 

[mikeavelli]

The issue is car makers have to follow the dumb government restrictions. Going with a 4 is light and means lower center of gravity.

To BMWs credit they added a plug in hybrid to the M5 to keep a V-8 and meet government standards but every review says while fast it’s meh.

So we all need to win political office and change the laws lol

 

[Randen Montalvo]

I don't see how this bespoke specialized car can only be 20k more than an LC. It'll definitely be close to or more than 200k.

I don't know how one comes up with that as a "definitely." Multiple Mags and even Best Car, stated sources at Toyota have suggested a price not exceeding ¥20 million or around $140,000. This was promoted pretty heavily in the Japanese car mag scene. I haven't seen anything saying Lexus is building a 200K+ car and honestly, if the LFR was priced at 200k with no car underneath it...sadly that would be quite frankly a bizarre market movement and most certainly in my view negativity effect the product to the extreme niche status once again.

When you have a ZR1 officially stating price points at 174k, Lexus in my view should not surpass the ZR1 in price at all and should stay clear away from it because once they race them or start comparing performance per dollar (it's going to happen Luxury GT or not ) its the LFA all over again in terms it becoming once again too niche. Mind you the LFA is my fav car of all time but affording one is simply an exercise in hubris for many. I hope the rumored direction from TMC is correct on 140k+/- because that makes a lot more sense of where i think the market sees a new high-powered Lexus. I really dont want to see another Chris Harris or 15 automotive journalists saying for 174k you can get the ZR1 .....or this Mclaren....there has to be someone at Lexus saying okay we cannot let this happen again and must avoid those extreme price points at this time and focus on the brand narrative with all this delayed BEV speak and what does this mean for its performance segments existence.

 

[Randen Montalvo]

The issue is car makers have to follow the dumb government restrictions. Going with a 4 is light and means lower center of gravity.

To BMWs credit they added a plug in hybrid to the M5 to keep a V-8 and meet government standards but every review says while fast it’s meh.

So we all need to win political office and change the laws lol

The US we know will be removing much of the added federal mandates for the next 8 years thats for sure. How that effects the auto industry if at all remains to be seen sadly.

 

[mikeavelli]

The US we know will be removing much of the added federal mandates for the next 8 years thats for sure. How that effects the auto industry if at all remains to be seen sadly.

Yeah but probably not enough for us to keep V-8s and other specific engines.

 

[Randen Montalvo]

Yeah but probably not enough for us to keep V-8s and other specific engines.

Facts. US-specific models offering those engine types for just 8 years of guarantees with all the instability we have in the market probably isn't a good business decision long term.

 

[F1 Silver Arrows]

2) they would want to use the engine for racing, and I6 has a very heavy crankshaft with poor torsional rigidity making it bad for motorsports.

2JZ, BMW B58/S58 say otherwise. Have a forged crank and you're good to go. 🤌

 

[Randen Montalvo]

2JZ, BMW B58/S58 say otherwise. Have a forged crank and you're good to go. 🤌

Facts.

 

[carguy420]

Bruh Mag X's stuff is even more inaccurate than Best Car's, sometimes it's even just Best Car's rumors that they then reword it and make it their own lol.

 

[Randen Montalvo]

Bruh Mag X's stuff is even more inaccurate than Best Car's, sometimes it's even just Best Car's rumors that they then reword it and make it their own lol.

I mean none of us have facts and I’m not stating these are but most all Japanese mags I read all state 140k as a paint point for Lexus price wise. If that’s true that means they are realizing another LFA scenario too above market expectations is an unwise decision.