It is actually good that Ford is going to launch Mach-E in next 12-24 months... because that will get other manufacturers to understand where the demand for EVs is going.
My guess it is not going to be going to Leaf and Zoe.
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It is actually good that Ford is going to launch Mach-E in next 12-24 months... because that will get other manufacturers to understand where the demand for EVs is going.
My guess it is not going to be going to Leaf and Zoe.
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Well I had some hopes Lexus would come to market with a compelling high performance EV, but that has pretty much been dashed. There is no Lexus EV coming to the USA any time soon.
Might as well accept that. I’m not getting any younger , glad I moved to EV years ago, Leaf , BMW i3 , X540e , Pacifica phev, and now a Tesla 3 and all have been amazing to own and drive(yes even the Leaf)
I have 120,00 EV miles so far and will likely drive another 120,000 to 180,000 miles more all EV before Lexus has a product available.
Might as well accept that. I’m not getting any younger , glad I moved to EV years ago, Leaf , BMW i3 , X540e , Pacifica phev, and now a Tesla 3 and all have been amazing to own and drive(yes even the Leaf)
I have 120,00 EV miles so far and will likely drive another 120,000 to 180,000 miles more all EV before Lexus has a product available.
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Are they really cheaper to own/maintain post-warranty?
At least you work for Lexus and your daily driver does give Lexus an "in your face type" of message / statement every time you park in the employee only parking lot and come out with a smile.
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Yeah everyone at the store I work at know I’m a big EV fan , and had a Leaf in 2011 and several EVs but it was not easy telling my boss I got a Tesla . Thankfully he understood how much it’s my hobby 😉
Ive had 3 Lexus hybrids and would buy/lease a Lexus EV in a flash if I could..... BTW I want to be clear I work at a store not for Corp Lexus ok.
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Well the next best thing to a Lexus EV is the 2021 RAV4 Prime. https://www.toyota.com/upcoming-vehicles/rav4prime
0-60 in 5.8 sec , 39 miles of EV range and all wheel drive.
I would bet some here on this forum find this Toyota product very compelling and for good reason.
Summer 2020 availability . Full EV will be a much much longer wait.
0-60 in 5.8 sec , 39 miles of EV range and all wheel drive.
I would bet some here on this forum find this Toyota product very compelling and for good reason.
Summer 2020 availability . Full EV will be a much much longer wait.
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Anyone know how PHEV batteries are made impervious to frequent, almost daily charging? Nothing from my reading suggests otherwise except for that Professor Jeff Dhan battery that is expected to last 4,000 charge cycles:
chargedevs.com
I thought many types of batteries crap out after 1,500 cycles? That's give or take about four years of daily charging.
For HEVs, replacement cost of the Ni-MH battery is $3k or so so that's nothing but for PHEV's, could it cost like $5-7.5k easily?
Also, it occurred to me that for Ni-MH on our 16 RAV4H, these only operate between 30-70% SoC so even with memory effects on the battery, it probably doesn't matter anyway. Not sure how it is with Li-ion batteries though with little memory effect but more limited charge cycles.
Found it:
Depth of discharge also applies to Li-ion.
Tesla battery experts describe million-mile cell in new paper - Charged EVs
At the Tesla Autonomy Event in April, Elon Musk said the Disruptors of Detroit were working on a new battery pack that would last a cool million miles, and said it would be available next year. Now Tesla battery research partner Jeff Dahn and his team have released a paper in which they describe...
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I thought many types of batteries crap out after 1,500 cycles? That's give or take about four years of daily charging.
For HEVs, replacement cost of the Ni-MH battery is $3k or so so that's nothing but for PHEV's, could it cost like $5-7.5k easily?
Also, it occurred to me that for Ni-MH on our 16 RAV4H, these only operate between 30-70% SoC so even with memory effects on the battery, it probably doesn't matter anyway. Not sure how it is with Li-ion batteries though with little memory effect but more limited charge cycles.
Found it:
Depth of discharge also applies to Li-ion.
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Interestingly it says the batteries aren't taking up any space since they are mounted on the bottom of the vehicle. That was one of my original concerns, interesting to see it's a non-issue.
Too bad they aren't going at this pace for their Lexus models. I have a feeling it'll be another lesson they learn the hard way, if they bother to learn from it at all. An NX Prime/RX Prime/UX Prime would go over well. Especially if it addresses shortcomings of their traditional hybrids.
Good news for people in the market for that Rav4.
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Everyone worries about batteries too much[
www.toyota.com
Toyota isn’t worried and stands behind its products
10 year 150,000 mile warranty
QUOTE="internalaudit, post: 49298, member: 5570"]
Anyone know how PHEV batteries are made impervious to frequent, almost daily charging? Nothing from my reading suggests otherwise except for that Professor Jeff Dhan battery that is expected to last 4,000 charge cycles:
chargedevs.com
I thought many types of batteries crap out after 1,500 cycles? That's give or take about four years of daily charging.
For HEVs, replacement cost of the Ni-MH battery is $3k or so so that's nothing but for PHEV's, could it cost like $5-7.5k easily?
Also, it occurred to me that for Ni-MH on our 16 RAV4H, these only operate between 30-70% SoC so even with memory effects on the battery, it probably doesn't matter anyway. Not sure how it is with Li-ion batteries though with little memory effect but more limited charge cycles.
Found it:
Depth of discharge also applies to Li-ion.
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Electrified
Explore Toyota's extensive lineup of electrified vehicles from hybrids and phevs to fully electric vehicles.
10 year 150,000 mile warranty
QUOTE="internalaudit, post: 49298, member: 5570"]
Anyone know how PHEV batteries are made impervious to frequent, almost daily charging? Nothing from my reading suggests otherwise except for that Professor Jeff Dhan battery that is expected to last 4,000 charge cycles:
Tesla battery experts describe million-mile cell in new paper - Charged EVs
At the Tesla Autonomy Event in April, Elon Musk said the Disruptors of Detroit were working on a new battery pack that would last a cool million miles, and said it would be available next year. Now Tesla battery research partner Jeff Dahn and his team have released a paper in which they describe...
chargedevs.com
I thought many types of batteries crap out after 1,500 cycles? That's give or take about four years of daily charging.
For HEVs, replacement cost of the Ni-MH battery is $3k or so so that's nothing but for PHEV's, could it cost like $5-7.5k easily?
Also, it occurred to me that for Ni-MH on our 16 RAV4H, these only operate between 30-70% SoC so even with memory effects on the battery, it probably doesn't matter anyway. Not sure how it is with Li-ion batteries though with little memory effect but more limited charge cycles.
Found it:
Depth of discharge also applies to Li-ion.
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[/QUOTE]Everyone worries about batteries too much[
Toyota isn’t worried and stands behind its productsElectrified
Explore Toyota's extensive lineup of electrified vehicles from hybrids and phevs to fully electric vehicles.
10 year 150,000 mile warranty
QUOTE="internalaudit, post: 49298, member: 5570"]
Anyone know how PHEV batteries are made impervious to frequent, almost daily charging? Nothing from my reading suggests otherwise except for that Professor Jeff Dhan battery that is expected to last 4,000 charge cycles:
Tesla battery experts describe million-mile cell in new paper - Charged EVs
At the Tesla Autonomy Event in April, Elon Musk said the Disruptors of Detroit were working on a new battery pack that would last a cool million miles, and said it would be available next year. Now Tesla battery research partner Jeff Dahn and his team have released a paper in which they describe...
I thought many types of batteries crap out after 1,500 cycles? That's give or take about four years of daily charging.
For HEVs, replacement cost of the Ni-MH battery is $3k or so so that's nothing but for PHEV's, could it cost like $5-7.5k easily?
Also, it occurred to me that for Ni-MH on our 16 RAV4H, these only operate between 30-70% SoC so even with memory effects on the battery, it probably doesn't matter anyway. Not sure how it is with Li-ion batteries though with little memory effect but more limited charge cycles.
Found it:
Depth of discharge also applies to Li-ion.
I have an 02 Civic (bought in 2003) and 11 Accord (bought in Dec 2010). Of course I want to be educated, if you do the math, vehicle longevity is a concern of mine lol and this isn't a lead acid or AGM battery for $200 though.
Batteries on a PHEV could be $7k and up. With HEVs, it's not a biggie at $2-3k. I know I would have accrued the fuel economy benefits but still I just want to know. Sources like battery university does mention that it's about 700-1,000 cycles (fully cycle so 50% to 100% counts as 1/2 cycle) for both Ni-MH and Li-ion so I'm wondering what Toyota did besides forcing Ni-MH SoC between 30-70%.
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Everyone worries about batteries too much[
Electrified
Explore Toyota's extensive lineup of electrified vehicles from hybrids and phevs to fully electric vehicles.
Toyota isn’t worried and stands behind its products
10 year 150,000 mile warranty
Hey, if Toyota hybrid vehicles are good enough to use as taxis (I have seen Prius taxis in Vancouver, Canada and Seattle, USA; Camry Hybrid taxis and ESh airport limos in Toronto, Canada; and Highlander Hybrid taxis in NYC, USA), I would not worry about battery durability and reliability.
World premiere of Lexus' first EV, the UX 300e | Lexus | Global Newsroom | Toyota Motor Corporation Official Global Website
LEXUS will introduce its first battery electric vehicle (BEV), the UX 300e, at the Guangzhou International Automobile Exhibition, which will be held in Guangzhou, China, from November 22 to December 1, 2019.
“4KM” Motor（same with CHR BEV），max output 150kw，max torque 300Nm
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400km，54.3kwh，ac charge max 6.6kw，dc max 50km；World premiere of Lexus' first EV, the UX 300e | Lexus | Global Newsroom | Toyota Motor Corporation Official Global Website
LEXUS will introduce its first battery electric vehicle (BEV), the UX 300e, at the Guangzhou International Automobile Exhibition, which will be held in Guangzhou, China, from November 22 to December 1, 2019.global.toyota
“4KM” Motor（same with CHR BEV），max output 150kw，max torque 300Nm
I get that toyota is doing this for regulatory reasons, but why exclude NA? Production capacity?
Between the full EV and 400KM range, combined with the Safety+ system (assuming it's the 2.0) with the active lane keeping systems in place, how is this not a Lexus alternative to Tesla (trading performance and constant updates for no jank and a better vehicle)? Depending on pricing, this could be a lot more enticing than maybe TMC is anticipating. The standard UX did well, i imagine this would also.
Question to people with experience in the UX: How is the interior compared to others in the lineup? For some reason it seems like the interior on these different than say what you get in the NX. How is the quality vs say RC, GS, etc? It looks good in photos, especially for the price.
Also, does it say anything about performance in this? I can't seem to find details in this or the CH R BEV stuff online. AWD?
Got pretty close here. Still need to know more about the battery.
They rate their range to be 400km NEDC, that is very conservative.
Yes.
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Let's hope the future BEVs look like regular Lexus vehicles, if not better looking, and nothing like those concepts revealed a few months ago.
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Toyota Goes Electric Starting In 2020: Announces Massive EV Offensive
Toyota, after years of neglecting of all-electric cars, announced today a huge EV offensive that includes SUVs, crossovers and even a minivan.
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Lexus needs the credits in China and Europe and likely does not have battery production capacity to support US sales. I would estimate if this vehicle were brought to USA market with minor charging changes needed for our standard in usa only ( sae charge standard and better DCFC)
that they would sell 1000 to 1600 a month after the initial wave of orders/sales upon 1st reveal.
I for one would buy one / range is good and so is the power . Forum members how about using social media to ask/encourage Lexus to bring this model to the USA market? I'm not so great with Facebook/Twitter ETC . How bout everyone here posting about this product and asking " when / why not in the USA Lexus?
that they would sell 1000 to 1600 a month after the initial wave of orders/sales upon 1st reveal.
I for one would buy one / range is good and so is the power . Forum members how about using social media to ask/encourage Lexus to bring this model to the USA market? I'm not so great with Facebook/Twitter ETC . How bout everyone here posting about this product and asking " when / why not in the USA Lexus?
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On the European Lexus Newsroom ( https://newsroom.lexus.eu/world-premiere-of-lexus-first-ev-the-ux-300e/ ) there is some missing information because for charging speed there is a footnote (*2) but it’s not written bellow.
Either way, can’t call it a breakthrough but if correctly priced I’m buying.
In my opinion should be max. around TM3 SR+, as their range is similar, but less power, less charging speed, lower top speed, no proprietary charging network.
Either way, can’t call it a breakthrough but if correctly priced I’m buying.
In my opinion should be max. around TM3 SR+, as their range is similar, but less power, less charging speed, lower top speed, no proprietary charging network.