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Given the announcements above the Ford Mach-E Mustang SUV, the excuses that Toyota has for dragging heels this long is disappearing quickly. We are looking at the ix3 and i4 from BMW as well with compelling figures.

Really disappointed the EV UX isn't slated for NA.

It is actually good that Ford is going to launch Mach-E in next 12-24 months... because that will get other manufacturers to understand where the demand for EVs is going.

My guess it is not going to be going to Leaf and Zoe.
 

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Well I had some hopes Lexus would come to market with a compelling high performance EV, but that has pretty much been dashed. There is no Lexus EV coming to the USA any time soon.
Might as well accept that. I’m not getting any younger , glad I moved to EV years ago, Leaf , BMW i3 , X540e , Pacifica phev, and now a Tesla 3 and all have been amazing to own and drive(yes even the Leaf)
I have 120,00 EV miles so far and will likely drive another 120,000 to 180,000 miles more all EV before Lexus has a product available.
 

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Well I had some hopes Lexus would come to market with a compelling high performance EV, but that has pretty much been dashed. There is no Lexus EV coming to the USA.
Might as well accept that. I’m not getting any younger , glad I moved to EV years ago, Leaf , BMW i3 , X540e , Pacifica phev, and now a Tesla 3 and all have been amazing to own and drive(yes even the Leaf)
I have 120,00 EV miles so far and will likely drive another 120,000 to 180,000 miles more all EV before Lexus has a product available.

Are they really cheaper to own/maintain post-warranty?

At least you work for Lexus and your daily driver does give Lexus an "in your face type" of message / statement every time you park in the employee only parking lot and come out with a smile.
 

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Are they really cheaper to own/maintain post-warranty?

At least you work for Lexus and your daily driver does give Lexus an "in your face type" of message / statement every time you park in the employee only parking lot and come out with a smile.
Yeah everyone at the store I work at know I’m a big EV fan , and had a Leaf in 2011 and several EVs but it was not easy telling my boss I got a Tesla . Thankfully he understood how much it’s my hobby 😉
Ive had 3 Lexus hybrids and would buy/lease a Lexus EV in a flash if I could..... BTW I want to be clear I work at a store not for Corp Lexus ok.
 

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Anyone know how PHEV batteries are made impervious to frequent, almost daily charging? Nothing from my reading suggests otherwise except for that Professor Jeff Dhan battery that is expected to last 4,000 charge cycles:

I thought many types of batteries crap out after 1,500 cycles? That's give or take about four years of daily charging.

For HEVs, replacement cost of the Ni-MH battery is $3k or so so that's nothing but for PHEV's, could it cost like $5-7.5k easily?

Also, it occurred to me that for Ni-MH on our 16 RAV4H, these only operate between 30-70% SoC so even with memory effects on the battery, it probably doesn't matter anyway. Not sure how it is with Li-ion batteries though with little memory effect but more limited charge cycles.


Found it:
Depth of discharge also applies to Li-ion.
 
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Well the next best thing to a Lexus EV is the 2021 RAV4 Prime. https://www.toyota.com/upcoming-vehicles/rav4prime
0-60 in 5.8 sec , 39 miles of EV range and all wheel drive.
I would bet some here on this forum find this Toyota product very compelling and for good reason.
Summer 2020 availability . Full EV will be a much much longer wait.

Interestingly it says the batteries aren't taking up any space since they are mounted on the bottom of the vehicle. That was one of my original concerns, interesting to see it's a non-issue.

Too bad they aren't going at this pace for their Lexus models. I have a feeling it'll be another lesson they learn the hard way, if they bother to learn from it at all. An NX Prime/RX Prime/UX Prime would go over well. Especially if it addresses shortcomings of their traditional hybrids.

Good news for people in the market for that Rav4.
 

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Everyone worries about batteries too much[
Toyota isn’t worried and stands behind its products
10 year 150,000 mile warranty


QUOTE="internalaudit, post: 49298, member: 5570"]
Anyone know how PHEV batteries are made impervious to frequent, almost daily charging? Nothing from my reading suggests otherwise except for that Professor Jeff Dhan battery that is expected to last 4,000 charge cycles:

I thought many types of batteries crap out after 1,500 cycles? That's give or take about four years of daily charging.

For HEVs, replacement cost of the Ni-MH battery is $3k or so so that's nothing but for PHEV's, could it cost like $5-7.5k easily?

Also, it occurred to me that for Ni-MH on our 16 RAV4H, these only operate between 30-70% SoC so even with memory effects on the battery, it probably doesn't matter anyway. Not sure how it is with Li-ion batteries though with little memory effect but more limited charge cycles.


Found it:
Depth of discharge also applies to Li-ion.
[/QUOTE]
 

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Everyone worries about batteries too much[
Toyota isn’t worried and stands behind its products
10 year 150,000 mile warranty


QUOTE="internalaudit, post: 49298, member: 5570"]
Anyone know how PHEV batteries are made impervious to frequent, almost daily charging? Nothing from my reading suggests otherwise except for that Professor Jeff Dhan battery that is expected to last 4,000 charge cycles:

I thought many types of batteries crap out after 1,500 cycles? That's give or take about four years of daily charging.

For HEVs, replacement cost of the Ni-MH battery is $3k or so so that's nothing but for PHEV's, could it cost like $5-7.5k easily?

Also, it occurred to me that for Ni-MH on our 16 RAV4H, these only operate between 30-70% SoC so even with memory effects on the battery, it probably doesn't matter anyway. Not sure how it is with Li-ion batteries though with little memory effect but more limited charge cycles.


Found it:
Depth of discharge also applies to Li-ion.
[/QUOTE]

I have an 02 Civic (bought in 2003) and 11 Accord (bought in Dec 2010). Of course I want to be educated, if you do the math, vehicle longevity is a concern of mine lol and this isn't a lead acid or AGM battery for $200 though.

Batteries on a PHEV could be $7k and up. With HEVs, it's not a biggie at $2-3k. I know I would have accrued the fuel economy benefits but still I just want to know. Sources like battery university does mention that it's about 700-1,000 cycles (fully cycle so 50% to 100% counts as 1/2 cycle) for both Ni-MH and Li-ion so I'm wondering what Toyota did besides forcing Ni-MH SoC between 30-70%.
 
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Anyone know how PHEV batteries are made impervious to frequent, almost daily charging?

Everyone worries about batteries too much[


Toyota isn’t worried and stands behind its products

10 year 150,000 mile warranty

Hey, if Toyota hybrid vehicles are good enough to use as taxis (I have seen Prius taxis in Vancouver, Canada and Seattle, USA; Camry Hybrid taxis and ESh airport limos in Toronto, Canada; and Highlander Hybrid taxis in NYC, USA), I would not worry about battery durability and reliability.
 

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400km,54.3kwh,ac charge max 6.6kw,dc max 50km;
“4KM” Motor(same with CHR BEV),max output 150kw,max torque 300Nm

The UX 300e is scheduled to go on sale in the Chinese and European markets in 2020, and in Japan early in 2021.

I get that toyota is doing this for regulatory reasons, but why exclude NA? Production capacity?

Between the full EV and 400KM range, combined with the Safety+ system (assuming it's the 2.0) with the active lane keeping systems in place, how is this not a Lexus alternative to Tesla (trading performance and constant updates for no jank and a better vehicle)? Depending on pricing, this could be a lot more enticing than maybe TMC is anticipating. The standard UX did well, i imagine this would also.

Question to people with experience in the UX: How is the interior compared to others in the lineup? For some reason it seems like the interior on these different than say what you get in the NX. How is the quality vs say RC, GS, etc? It looks good in photos, especially for the price.

Also, does it say anything about performance in this? I can't seem to find details in this or the CH R BEV stuff online. AWD?
 

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Now there is less than a week until launch, here is my prediction of battery specs and I want to see how close I get.

Capacity 55kWh
Power 140kW
Range 400km WLTP
Charging Power 60kW
Specific Energy 160Wh/kg
Chemistry NCM622

Got pretty close here. Still need to know more about the battery.

They rate their range to be 400km NEDC, that is very conservative.
I get that toyota is doing this for regulatory reasons, but why exclude NA? Production capacity?
Yes.
 
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Launch date are different in press release than in initial leaks. Europe and China 2020 and Japan early 2021. I think price will be in Europe 45-50k depending on market.
 

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Lexus needs the credits in China and Europe and likely does not have battery production capacity to support US sales. I would estimate if this vehicle were brought to USA market with minor charging changes needed for our standard in usa only ( sae charge standard and better DCFC)
that they would sell 1000 to 1600 a month after the initial wave of orders/sales upon 1st reveal.
I for one would buy one / range is good and so is the power . Forum members how about using social media to ask/encourage Lexus to bring this model to the USA market? I'm not so great with Facebook/Twitter ETC . How bout everyone here posting about this product and asking " when / why not in the USA Lexus?
 
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On the European Lexus Newsroom ( https://newsroom.lexus.eu/world-premiere-of-lexus-first-ev-the-ux-300e/ ) there is some missing information because for charging speed there is a footnote (*2) but it’s not written bellow.

Either way, can’t call it a breakthrough but if correctly priced I’m buying.

In my opinion should be max. around TM3 SR+, as their range is similar, but less power, less charging speed, lower top speed, no proprietary charging network.