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Any chance we get an NXF? Not trying to be picky but really we can't have a bigger engine SUV? Pretty crazy.....
 

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The UX facelift should also happen latter this year... I’m curious to see if they manage to improve the biggest flaws:
-Improve the subpar Cd of 0,33
-Boot space reduction on the UX250h
-Let go that 7 inch infotainment

But I don’t have high hopes for it... Perhaps just the last one
It will be interesting to see what will happen with UX, I dont think they will do much, it is pretty fresh and engines are new. Maybe UX300e might get some improvements?

I don't think that they can do much during a facelift.

Improving the drag coefficient (Cd) to any great extent probably cannot be done without major changes to the shape (meaning sheet metal changes), and lowering the vehicle with smaller-diameter tires (which would effectively change the UX from a SUV to a hatchback).

Improving the boot space to any great extent is probably not possible either. I have come to believe that a small boot size is a characteristic of the FWD TNGA-C and TNGA-K platforms. The vehicles I have seen built on these platforms all have a rather shallow boot space. Add an electric drive motor back there and it gets even smaller. Increasing boot space will probably require changes to make the (independent multi-link) rear suspension less bulky.

Increasing the size of the infotainment system should be relatively easy, however.
 

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1) NX - you've already seen the leaked photos, it's almost here.
2) ES - it's still in the middle of its lifecycle, it just came out in 2019. We will probably see an exterior refresh and possibly a full change 2025-ish?
3) IS - can't wait for the IS 500 F SPORT Performance...i'm glad we're getting it.
4) TX - the US press release hinted at Lexus being built at TMMI. A new three-row SUV. Think about it, they currently build Sequoia, Highlander and Sienna there.
5) LX - You've seen leaked photos of what appears to be a 300 series Land Cruiser. LX is built alongside the LC in Tahara.

We can complain about it over and over, but it's out of our control. Honestly, there are other manufacturers out there that make cars too. If you're not willing to wait, you have other choices.
The problem with Toyota and Lexus is that they don't show or even talk about future models (both facelifts, such as the ES, and new models, such as the NX) until so close to the time they actually show up in the showroom; they keep us in suspense.

The Germans, on the other hand, start leaking and even showing test mules months, even years in advance.

As an example, we know that there is a new Porsche electric Macan coming in 2 or 3 years because we have seen test mules and heard talk about the model. Yet, we have heard so little and seen so little of the 2022 Lexus NX, which should be introduced in a few months.
 

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The problem with Toyota and Lexus is that they don't show or even talk about future models (both facelifts, such as the ES, and new models, such as the NX) until so close to the time they actually show up in the showroom; they keep us in suspense.

The Germans, on the other hand, start leaking and even showing test mules months, even years in advance.

As an example, we know that there is a new Porsche electric Macan coming in 2 or 3 years because we have seen test mules and heard talk about the model. Yet, we have heard so little and seen so little of the 2022 Lexus NX, which should be introduced in a few months.

To me...seeing a car many years beforehand takes away from the element of surprise for me. GR Supra was on that boat...it dragged and dragged....test mules...rumors...then it finally comes out. Not very exciting. Everyone wants answers like yesterday.
 

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The problem with Toyota and Lexus is that they don't show or even talk about future models (both facelifts, such as the ES, and new models, such as the NX) until so close to the time they actually show up in the showroom; they keep us in suspense.

The Germans, on the other hand, start leaking and even showing test mules months, even years in advance.

As an example, we know that there is a new Porsche electric Macan coming in 2 or 3 years because we have seen test mules and heard talk about the model. Yet, we have heard so little and seen so little of the 2022 Lexus NX, which should be introduced in a few months.
I think the 2023 Macan EV is now official or so says the media:
 

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Specs for LC300 engine. V35A-FTS is tuned for more torque (600N.m -> 650N.m) and less power at lower rpm (310KW@6000RPM -> 305KW@5200RPM). I feel this tune should apply to LS500 too as the loss of power is negligible...

F33 diesel has 15% more power and 8% more torque than 1VD.
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GVM is reduced by 120 kg. Assuming no change in payload capacity the new TNGA-F platform makes the LC300 120kg(260lbs) lighter. Towing capacity is unchanged at 3500kg(7700lbs).
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Unfortunately ground clearance, approach/departure/breakover angles have not changed from the 200 series. I think Toyota just assumed the aftermarket will lift the vehicle anyway.
 
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Let's go back a bit, to the H2 powered Corolla.

According to BestCarWeb, it need about 7.34kg of H2 to do 50km at race speed, with a lap time of 2:05.
In the same track, Mirai needs about 4kg to do the same 50km with a lap time of 2:18.


This is complete nonsense IMO. Just do it with a FC.
 
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Let's go back a bit, to the H2 powered Corolla.

According to BestCarWeb, it need about 7.34kg of H2 to do 50km at race speed, with a lap time of 2:05.
In the same track, Mirai needs about 4kg to do the same 50km with a lap time of 2:18.


This is complete nonsense IMO. Just do it with a FC.

But ICE's are cool tho.
 

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But even the smell is part of the equation 👌

I’m into BEV’s, I want one for the daily commute, but I also want a pure ICE with a manual gearbox sports car!
It’s the perfect combination, you can help the environment with lower emissions, save a ton of cash with fuel bills, and you can also go full bananas with the sports car 😀

We will not save much if we turn all the supercars/sports cars into BEV’s... We might just kill car enthusiasts if we do it because they’re one of the biggest reasons we love cars in the first place, and they don’t do that many miles.
This “turn everything into BEV’s” thing I’m sometimes reading is too much IMO.
 
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But even the smell is part of the equation 👌

I’m into BEV’s, I want one for the daily commute, but I also want a pure ICE with a manual gearbox sports car!
It’s the perfect combination, you can help the environment with lower emissions, save a ton of cash with fuel bills, and you can also go full bananas with the sports car 😀

We will not save much if we turn all the supercars/sports cars into BEV’s... We might just kill car enthusiasts if we do it because they’re one of the biggest reasons we love cars in the first place, and they don’t do that many miles.
I would wager that a good hybrid would still help save the environment too.
This “turn everything into BEV’s” thing I’m sometimes reading is too much IMO.
Exactly.
 

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There’re 2 things keeping me from getting a hybrid:
- I struggle a lot about the UX and the amazing IS300h is gone;
- Montlhy fuel bills are between 200~300€ with my car averaging 7L/100km, a BEV with home charging would be between 40~50€.
 

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There’re 2 things keeping me from getting a hybrid:
- I struggle a lot about the UX and the amazing IS300h is gone;
- Montlhy fuel bills are between 200~300€ with my car averaging 7L/100km, a BEV with home charging would be between 40~50€.
RC300h is the best economic and fun and stylish daily car. It just looks to good to not have a V8. In my mind I reserve the later V8 for the LC.
 

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Let's go back a bit, to the H2 powered Corolla.

According to BestCarWeb, it need about 7.34kg of H2 to do 50km at race speed, with a lap time of 2:05.
In the same track, Mirai needs about 4kg to do the same 50km with a lap time of 2:18.


This is complete nonsense IMO. Just do it with a FC.

did you actually read the whole article?

It's completely different. MIRAI is 150ps. The lap time is about 2 minutes and 18 seconds. If you make a fuel cell that produces 250ps, it will consume as much hydrogen as a hydrogen engine. Combusting hydrogen well makes it as efficient as a fuel cell. That is why the fuel cell development team was surprised and realized that it was a powerful rival.
 

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RC300h is the best economic and fun and stylish daily car. It just looks to good to not have a V8. In my mind I reserve the later V8 for the LC.

Agree! But it has been axed as well, a second gen or a deeper facelift with the same 2.5 found in the Crown... It would be epic.

and also confirmation that H2 Corolla has 250hp.


To my understanding, it’s the GR Yaris engine that’s rated at 250hp, not that H2 ICE powered Corolla...

If a 1900kg, 184hp road going Mirai is only 13sec slower than a Corolla GR based striped out race car with 250hp... I think it’s better no to be launched...