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Any news on the horizon to expect? I imagine NX must reveal at some point soon.

We are halfway thru 2021 and I'm not impressed by this supposed lineup refresh, given we have heard effectively nothing of real substance.

It's going to be another month til we see the new NX, and any other reveals probably won't be until late Q3 or into Q4.

Then what, at least a few months until any of it hits dealerships?

It's going to be Q1, Q2 2022 by the time all their talk even starts to materialize in dealerships.

That's a brutal performance given the velocity of accouncements from other companies.

Mike and others in the loop, this can't really be how Lexus wants to deliver, is it? This pace doesn't inspire confidence.

they are breaking their sales records, launch timing is in line with their traditional new model launches. Weather it is 1 month sooner or later really does not matter.
 

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Many companies are breaking records so far this year. We broke records in Q1. It's an outlier quarter. Taking long term strategy efficacy readthroughs from it is lunacy.

Also nice logic, I complain they're still doing the same old thing that left them with an outdated lineup and a 5 year dead period, and customers who largely only can point to service quality as why they buy a Lexus (as opposed to having compelling models), and your response is "it is fine, recent quarter sales were OK"

The decisions you make today aren't supposed to be about what just happened or is about to happen. It's supposed to be about positioning yourself for success in 5, 10, 15 years.

It is mind-boggling to me that people can't grasp this.

They are screwing up their attempt at changing how people think of them, and regardless of what people who don't know better think, it will be reflected in their economics, market share and share price relative to where they COULD be in the future.
 
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Any news on the horizon to expect? I imagine NX must reveal at some point soon.

We are halfway thru 2021 and I'm not impressed by this supposed lineup refresh, given we have heard effectively nothing of real substance.

It's going to be another month til we see the new NX, and any other reveals probably won't be until late Q3 or into Q4.

Then what, at least a few months until any of it hits dealerships?

It's going to be Q1, Q2 2022 by the time all their talk even starts to materialize in dealerships.

That's a brutal performance given the velocity of accouncements from other companies.

Mike and others in the loop, this can't really be how Lexus wants to deliver, is it? This pace doesn't inspire confidence.

I totally get your impatience. Trust me I wish for a LC F tomorrow lol. Just stay tuned and have your check books ready 🤣

I also can’t message you. Send me a message you have a RC F and would love you at a Lexus Racing event if possible.
 

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Many companies are breaking records so far this year. We broke records in Q1. It's an outlier quarter. Taking long term strategy efficacy readthroughs from it is lunacy.

no, that is not true at all. Many car companies are not in a good place right now. In fact, none of other Japanese companies are in a good place at all.

When it comes to Lexus, they have started showing NX... we know TX is coming next year (they are building a factory for it), we know LX is coming this year, ES refresh was just announced.

They will not be refreshing all their vehicles in a single year.

We all want news here every day, but that is not going to happen.
 

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I totally get your impatience. Trust me I wish for a LC F tomorrow lol. Just stay tuned and have your check books ready 🤣

I also can’t message you. Send me a message you have a RC F and would love you at a Lexus Racing event if possible.
I need to swap my 350 for a GS f so I can be invited to cool stuff too lol
 

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no, that is not true at all. Many car companies are not in a good place right now. In fact, none of other Japanese companies are in a good place at all.

When it comes to Lexus, they have started showing NX... we know TX is coming next year (they are building a factory for it), we know LX is coming this year, ES refresh was just announced.

They will not be refreshing all their vehicles in a single year.

We all want news here every day, but that is not going to happen.

The UX facelift should also happen latter this year... I’m curious to see if they manage to improve the biggest flaws:
-Improve the subpar Cd of 0,33
-Boot space reduction on the UX250h
-Let go that 7 inch infotainment

But I don’t have high hopes for it... Perhaps just the last one
 
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The UX facelift should also happen latter this year... I’m curious to see if they manage to improve the biggest flaws:
-Improve the subpar Cd of 0,33
-Boot space reduction on the UX250h
-Let go that 7 inch infotainment

But I don’t have high hopes for it... Perhaps just the last one

It will be interesting to see what will happen with UX, I dont think they will do much, it is pretty fresh and engines are new. Maybe UX300e might get some improvements?
 

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I would love to see it, but that’s even newer! It’s in production for only 1 year (or less)!

I’ve always struggled with the UX as a whole, I was expecting more from it for the price and also due to what is offered from other brands... Maybe I’m not being impartial about it...?!
 

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I would love to see it, but that’s even newer! It’s in production for only 1 year (or less)!

I’ve always struggled with the UX as a whole, I was expecting more from it for the price and also due to what is offered from other brands... Maybe I’m not being impartial about it...?!

might depend on country, but around here it is more affordable than BMW/MB of similar kind. Space in 250h sucks though - especially in e-four.

It is the same for CHR and Auris though with 2.0l hybrid engine.
 

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no, that is not true at all. Many car companies are not in a good place right now. In fact, none of other Japanese companies are in a good place at all.

When it comes to Lexus, they have started showing NX... we know TX is coming next year (they are building a factory for it), we know LX is coming this year, ES refresh was just announced.

They will not be refreshing all their vehicles in a single year.

We all want news here every day, but that is not going to happen.

I said companies, not car companies. A lot of the autos completely screwed up on their supply chain management and got bottlenecked. Look at what Tesla and others estimated their capacity limitations cost them in terms of business. A lot of other industries have performed well off of pent up demand.

Stop covering for them. They said 20 models in coming years. They're off pace and no false narrative or fancy produced video changes that.
 

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I said companies, not car companies. A lot of the autos completely screwed up on their supply chain management and got bottlenecked. Look at what Tesla and others estimated their capacity limitations cost them in terms of business. A lot of other industries have performed well off of pent up demand.

Stop covering for them. They said 20 models in coming years. They're off pace and no false narrative or fancy produced video changes that.

What does it matter what other industries are doing?

Why would I be covering for them? No amount of anger will make them deliver those new models 2 years ago :).
All I am saying is NX is all new, ES was just refreshed, IS is major refresh and IS500 is here, LS was refreshed, TX is being built factory for and LX is coming later this year.

There was probably never as many new things for Lexus.
 

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I said companies, not car companies. A lot of the autos completely screwed up on their supply chain management and got bottlenecked. Look at what Tesla and others estimated their capacity limitations cost them in terms of business. A lot of other industries have performed well off of pent up demand.

Stop covering for them. They said 20 models in coming years. They're off pace and no false narrative or fancy produced video changes that.

Lexus is coming out with new and updated product. Just sit tight. ;)
 

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You cannot deny that @CRSKTN is right. Lexus' product cadence is way off and has been for several years. For the current situation, Toyota was uniquely positioned with a heap of chips and materials which has boosted sales because there is a shortage of availability for other vehicles... it's a bit of a bubble situation.

We have no idea how long some of these supply issues will last, but it seems to be working to Toyota's benefit. Thankfully for them, the refreshed ES as well as new NX and LX will be here soon, and next year, the RX and TX. This will help keep sales strong even when the car sales environment is back to normal.

There have definitely been problems - let's not act like there hasn't been. But it seems like they're finally about to be fixed.
 

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What does it matter what other industries are doing?

Why would I be covering for them? No amount of anger will make them deliver those new models 2 years ago :).
All I am saying is NX is all new, ES was just refreshed, IS is major refresh and IS500 is here, LS was refreshed, TX is being built factory for and LX is coming later this year.

There was probably never as many new things for Lexus.

NX not officially announced.
ES refresh was a non event, extremely minor
IS refresh and 500 was decent, that's one
TX nothing announced
LX nothing announced.

TFW 80% of your argument is stuff that hasn't actually materialized yet.

The point stands, not gonna argue it anymore, they're not delivering until they do.

I am rooting for them, and agree with Gecko.
 

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Toyota was uniquely positioned with a heap of chips and materials which has boosted sales because there is a shortage of availability for other vehicles... it's a bit of a bubble situation.

not really true, they were #1 manufacturer last year in the world. They will just be bigger one this year.
 

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NX not officially announced.
ES refresh was a non event, extremely minor
IS refresh and 500 was decent, that's one
TX nothing announced
LX nothing announced.

TFW 80% of your argument is stuff that hasn't actually materialized yet.

The point stands, not gonna argue it anymore, they're not delivering until they do.

I am rooting for them, and agree with Gecko.

1) NX - you've already seen the leaked photos, it's almost here.
2) ES - it's still in the middle of its lifecycle, it just came out in 2019. We will probably see an exterior refresh and possibly a full change 2025-ish?
3) IS - can't wait for the IS 500 F SPORT Performance...i'm glad we're getting it.
4) TX - the US press release hinted at Lexus being built at TMMI. A new three-row SUV. Think about it, they currently build Sequoia, Highlander and Sienna there.
5) LX - You've seen leaked photos of what appears to be a 300 series Land Cruiser. LX is built alongside the LC in Tahara.

We can complain about it over and over, but it's out of our control. Honestly, there are other manufacturers out there that make cars too. If you're not willing to wait, you have other choices.
 

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We can complain about it over and over, but it's out of our control. Honestly, there are other manufacturers out there that make cars too. If you're not willing to wait, you have other choices.

This has me cracking up. Check out the big brain on Brad.