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So toyota actually making their own sports cars with their own money? Definitely the Lexus will be 100% Toyota made, but good to know there is another supra on the way, want a I6 in there based on G16E
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I think what people need to understand is that Toyota beginning to build their own sports cars hinged on the fact that the partnerships had to be successful in order to justify doing things themselves.
And they did.
So they will.
hopefully.
I can see where you are coming from being invested into the funding behind the EV landscape, and I respect that.
The issue here is the great divide between the public messaging from politicians and car companies alike and insiders/in the know industry folks.
For instance, we see everyone put in deadlines from 2025-2035 on the politician side of things, we have Toyota publicly state that everything from 2030 in Lexus is moving to electric, and then we have ICE motor development being wound down across the board.
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It is to my understanding PPC will still follow the MLB-style engine over the front but still longitudinal, especially judging by the new B10 spyshots. Unfortunate, but wasn't expecting anything more :/ least the next gen Avants are coming to the US finally!
Do you mean allroad, or are we finally getting RS/S4 avant for B10 generation in the US?
My prediction is a huge supply chain crisis in the EV market (especially for BEV) in the 2024-2028 timeframe that will result in a significantly more practical BEV adoption schedule (for a very complex web of reasons). It will far dwarf the 2021-2024 chip crisis we are experiencing now.
The original "30 by 30" (30% BEV adoption in 2030) goal by an industry consortium was already ambitious enough, but then some politicians used that to their own advantage and they got in an arms race to propose the most radical BEV plans for votes. I'm thinking "15% by 35" and "50% by 50" as more likely outcomes globally.
The original "30 by 30" (30% BEV adoption in 2030) goal by an industry consortium was already ambitious enough, but then some politicians used that to their own advantage and they got in an arms race to propose the most radical BEV plans for votes. I'm thinking "15% by 35" and "50% by 50" as more likely outcomes globally.
European car buyer has a range of gasoline and diesel engines to choose from for a long time. Why not just offer FCEV and BEV base on whatever suits the buyer better? Been driving my Mirai for a year, refueling experience has been acceptable here in California. Expanding the fueling infrastructure should be easier than finding enough minerals for the battery. Especially with all those restrictions impose recently by the US government on battery production.
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We're getting the S/RS Avants finally!
Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts!
Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts!
Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts!
I agree, I definitely think the world can certainly adopt more hybrids, both self-charging and plug-ins, but I don't realistically see BEVs taking over after 2025; it's really not that far away, actually.
The sleek IS looking replacement model in the EV day might be an HEV/EV replacement, but as a HEV only, would that be able to crack the performance demands of the market? Going EV gives it a performance moniker it hasnt held in recent memory.
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I don't see the IS getting discontinued. The RX FSP and 450H+ are very significant cars showing what to expect from Lexus with respect to performance and daily driven cars.
The cool thing right now is TMC have all the engines, hybrid system and technology to compete with any car manufacturer the question is how they plan to do it.
Some of the post above have post legitimate reasons why its going to take a while before Lexus goes full EV
1. Take for instance if the ES goes full EV will it still be affordable to the regular ES buyers (LS makes more sense to go full EV first)
2. Reason people are probably not trippin too bad right now with PHEV is because they really don't need to charge it like the example mentioned about Prime owners.
3. Lastly is the logistics of going full EV as mentioned above supply chain crisis likely.
One smart thing though that TMC is doing in my opinion is Launching Crown globally. I feel like crown is needed to make it easy for Lexus to go full EV without loosing it's customer who are not ready to go full EV yet. So, the success of crown as a global vehicle will also play a role in Lexus ambition of going full EV.
Another question is why are we getting cars like the Corvette ZO6 and Escalade V, new Mustang etc. when everyone is talking about EVs
The cool thing right now is TMC have all the engines, hybrid system and technology to compete with any car manufacturer the question is how they plan to do it.
Some of the post above have post legitimate reasons why its going to take a while before Lexus goes full EV
1. Take for instance if the ES goes full EV will it still be affordable to the regular ES buyers (LS makes more sense to go full EV first)
2. Reason people are probably not trippin too bad right now with PHEV is because they really don't need to charge it like the example mentioned about Prime owners.
3. Lastly is the logistics of going full EV as mentioned above supply chain crisis likely.
One smart thing though that TMC is doing in my opinion is Launching Crown globally. I feel like crown is needed to make it easy for Lexus to go full EV without loosing it's customer who are not ready to go full EV yet. So, the success of crown as a global vehicle will also play a role in Lexus ambition of going full EV.
Another question is why are we getting cars like the Corvette ZO6 and Escalade V, new Mustang etc. when everyone is talking about EVs
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I know several people with PHEVs (Rav4 Prime, Prius Prime, Volt, Pacifica) and they are all pretty fanatical about plugging in to minimize the amount of gas they use.
Yeah I had a Prius Plugin for 3 years and a RAV4 Prime now for 1.5 year, I always plug in, that's always the preferred driving because it's smoother, quieter, more efficient, etc. It's a no-brainer.
I suspect the only people not plugging in are those people that either don't pay for their own gas or they got a substantial tax break or other incentive to buy the car.
Abolish all "green" vehicle buying credits, put it into charging infrastructure, free parking, etc. instead of giving tax breaks to the rich. The market would be better off.
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Same reason as why the Civic Type R exists, and people are crazy (Errr dealers) for the GR Corolla