Concept was good looking, also in red reminds me of A3 Sedan concept.The Vios has always been a Toyota only model from the ground up, so not really sure why certain car websites are spreading rumours that the upcoming generation is going to become a Daihatsu underneath its surface, they even kinda contradict themselves with some of the other things that they are saying, like why would they build this car using Daihatsu's platform but then try to stuff in THS II for the hybrid model? If it really is using Daihatsu's platform they'd be using Daihatsu's e-smart hybrid instead. Also, just looking at the proportions of this Vios prototype's exterior especially the length and height of the front end, it looks nothing like the unusually short and stubby front end of the Daihatsus built on the DNGA platform, then again the car websites from my part of the world are known to be extremely whack.Toyota Vios 2022 D92A spyshots - DNGA platform, official debut in Q3
A prototype of the next-generation Toyota Vios has been spotted undergoing testing in Bangkok ahead of an official world debut expected to take place in Thailand in the third quarter of this year, Headlightmag reports. …paultan.org
Sorry to dump cold water on some of you(kerb your knee jerk), but that concept car has nothing to do with the Vios, it might look quite big in pictures but that concept is actually an A-segment car(even smaller than B-segment/sub-compact), the Vios is a B-segment car, plus there were no real plans to make a production version of this concept carConcept was good looking, also in red reminds me of A3 Sedan concept.
With the launch of Gen5 RX500h and upcoming Chinese-market Highlander D-4ST, the puzzle of the 2018 powertrain plans published by Toyota is close to complete. The new TNGA family of powertrains started with the Gen.4 1.8L THS-II in the 2016 Prius, and six years later refresh of the lineup begins with the Gen.5 1.8L THS-II in the 2022 Noah. Note the 3.5L V6-TT hybrid system on the new Tundra/Sequoia is not marketed as a hybrid system, but as an engine option "i-Force Max", presumably because it doesn't offer substantial fuel economy gains.
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Here is a full table of all powertrain combinations of the TNGA family:
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There are still a few missing components that are reportedly under development:
1) Longitudinal T24-FTS P2 hybrid system, rumored for next-gen Tacoma/4Runner/LCP/GX.
2) Transverse T24-FTS P2 plug-in hybrid system, rumored for TX550h+.
3) 2.8L I4 twin-turbo diesel, rumored for next-gen Hilux/Fortuner/LCP.
4) F33-FTV P2 hybrid system, rumored for LC300/LX hybrid in diesel markets.
5) Flagship F-car powertrain with plug-in hybrid 4.0L V8-TT engine, rumored for "LFA 2".
And finally, 7 out of the 8 AWD systems have been launched. There is one unknown variant of the Dynamic Torque Vectoring AWD system yet to be released. It is not DTC/ATC since these are pre-TNGA technologies.
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I'm just going to compare what's available now compared to what the last thread predicted four years ago.
What I and other forum contributors got right:
1) There will be a 1.5L THS-II small hybrid system with similar output to 1.8L THS-II.
2) There will be a 2.0T engine with 180kW/241hp. My number was off by 1kW.
3) The 'main workhorse engine' will be a ~2.5T (turns out to be 2.4L). The maximum power powertrain based on this engine will be 270kW (RX500h has 267kW). My number was off by 3kW.
3.5) No more V6 engine of ES/NX/RX as it's replaced by 2.5T.
4) A high-power transverse hybrid powertrain using a turbocharged engine.
5) This is not confirmed but we can kind of agree the 4.0L V8-TT will happen.
6) A V35A-FTS based hybrid system coming after 2021.
7) There will be a 350h for Highlander Hybrid with more power than the 300h predicted by @spwolf.
8) 1KR and 8NR engine would stay in production without direct replacement as predicted by @spwolf.
9) Toyota was committed to a new lineup of diesel powertrain predicted by @Gecko.
What I got wrong:
1) All the designations. Back then I had no idea how their new naming system worked.
2) I didn't believe Toyota would build any large-displacement Inline-3 let alone two. I expected a 1.0L I3-T (turned out to be 1.5L I3 NA) and 1.6L I4-T (turned out to be 1.6L I3-T).
3) I expected the 2.0T engine to be a mainstream application and the most important engine in the lineup. In reality it is the last DF engine released and limited to Chinese market Highlander only. I expected it to be used on IS300, NX300 and RX300. But IS kept using old 8AR-FTS, and NX/RX uses the larger T24.
4) I expected the 1.5L hybrid to replace the 1.8L hybrid because their power levels will be similar. Instead Toyota upgraded the 1.8L system to Gen.5 and now makes a lot more power than the 1.5L Gen.4 system.
5) The engine between V35 and V8-TT turned out to be F33 diesel. I predicted it to be a low-power V8-TT. To be fair back then we all hoped a low-power V8 would still happen for the LS/LX/LC.
6) The T24-FTS turned out to be less powerful, but more torquey than predicted (I expected 225-240kW/400-420N.m but turned out to be 197-205kW/420-460N.m).
It seems the general theme about the turbocharged DF engines are high specific torque but moderate specific power. In the end it works for their buyer demographic. The average NX/RX driver will likely never use 4000+rpm but a very usable torque band is more relevant to them.
Let's just say we got better predictions four years ago than a certain "social media influencer" who boasts about his spreadsheet skills but still couldn't get the numbers right just a few months before product launch.
Personally, I think we will still see another TT V6 in the 2.8-3.0L range, but maybe that’s just wishful thinking on my part.
This is all fascinating stuff! I’m really excited to see what the future of Lexus/Toyota holds for us.
6) The T24-FTS turned out to be less powerful, but more torquey than predicted (I expected 225-240kW/400-420N.m but turned out to be 197-205kW/420-460N.m).
It seems the general theme about the turbocharged DF engines are high specific torque but moderate specific power. In the end it works for their buyer demographic. The average NX/RX driver will likely never use 4000+rpm but a very usable torque band is more relevant to them.
5) Flagship F-car powertrain with plug-in hybrid 4.0L V8-TT engine, rumored for "LFA 2".
Never will happen. They had the chance to do it with the new RX FSP but it didn't happen.
You are right. For simplicity of making that figure I used a longitudinal layout. P4 isn't very feasible on a longitudinal RWD car.@ssun30 , excellent work!
Can I make a small suggestion? On your P4 hybrid system, it seems the electric motor "helps" the engine (almost like a P3 system), but on P4 systems they aren't connected. Perhaps erasing the blue line between the gearbox and differential?
Never will happen. They had the chance to do it with the new RX FSP but it didn't happen.