Official 7th Generation ES Thread: Full Reveal on 4/25 in Beijing

[spwolf]

The 2GR-FKS is sure to stay (in NA) for at least three or four years considering it's still relatively new. The new 2.5 turbo will take a while to reach the same capacity as the 2GR worldwide.

i bet that many will prefer GR-FKS to 2.5l turbo too... but fuel consumption might be considerably better in tests and in city.

 

[Gecko]

As much as I would love to see it to become like that, it will not happen. The current platform cannot support such demands. Which is why I keep saying they need to change platforms ASAP.

It's moving to TNGA, and from everything I have seen, Toyota is trying to marry Dynamic Force engines to redesigns on TNGA. I know GR still has some life left, but it seems much better suited as a Toyota engine than Lexus next gen midsize sedan. This engine is now 13 years old...

 

[F1 Silver Arrows]

It's moving to TNGA, and from everything I have seen, Toyota is trying to marry Dynamic Force engines to redesigns on TNGA. I know GR still has some life left, but it seems much better suited as a Toyota engine than Lexus next gen midsize sedan. This engine is now 13 years old...

Oh I am quite aware of the shift to TNGA, my issue is with the transverse FWD layout. It simply wont work. Second thing is, the V6 that debuted in the Camry/Avalon was almost all new. Most of the components were completely revamped. I don't think the age of the engine really matters in this case, but engine/drive train layout. If you remember, the Camry has massive issues with torque steer. It is extremely powerful and punchy from low revs for a naturally aspirated engine.

Anyways, the engine/drive-train layout must align with the rest of the models in order for it to get a brand new engine/driveline/transmission. Or else the ES will be a luxury version of the Avalon.

 

[maiaramdan]

^^^
Even it will be a total lux. Avalon with the new Avalon so it will be great
Not as the current ES/Avalon where both nearly the same

If they can make a better luxurious New gen. Avalon they will have a winner

 

[ssun30]

If the ES debuts with the 2GR-FKS, I will be shocked. That engine is great for Highlander, Tacoma, Camry, Avalon, Sienna, but if they can't pull out a new engine for LEXUS' new corporate global midsize sedan, I will be surprised. In a bad way.

The engine itself isn't necessarily the problem. Not being able to accomodate it would be the problem. They could totally drop the 318hp (which also revs to over 7000rpm) version in the GS/LS in there but it won't improve anything. And a new turbo motor in there would make the car even less driveable.

We shouldn't expect the debut of a new ES350 at the Beijing Motor Show since it won't be available for the Asian market. The ES250, ES300h, and probably an ES200 will come first, with an independent announcement for the NA-spec ES350 from Lexus of America later.

In any case the chance of seeing an ES capable of replacing the GS at launch is low.

Considering their priorities, the most likely candidate for the debut of 2.5 turbo will be the Highlander. We don't know when the ES is getting AWD, but we know for sure the new Highlander will have AWD on Day 1.

 

[spwolf]

So i guess we can be sure now that the engine above 2.5l and below 3.5tt is 2.5t:

For those that did not get it yet, 2.5t was leaked earlier in bestcar/jp as new engine for ES, from next year.
Also interesting part is what would be hybrid above 2.5l THSII. It might be for next Highlander/RX, ie for heavier vehicles than Camry/Rav4 and ES.

 

[ssun30]

^^Also note the Multi-stage does not specify displacement, which means the architecture could be modular and accomodate a variety of ICE components. Lexus needs at least three output levels (replacements for 300h, 450h, and 600h) for hybrid GA-L so all of them could potentially receive the multi-stage, which is awesome.

 

[spwolf]

^^Also note the Multi-stage does not specify displacement, which means the architecture could be modular and accomodate a variety of ICE components. Lexus needs at least three output levels (replacements for 300h, 450h, and 600h) for hybrid GA-L so all of them could potentially receive the multi-stage, which is awesome.

probably because they used existing base engine? I think "problem" here is the price, multi-stage should be very expensive solution which is why it might not be used in something like 300h, where price is important. I think both 500h applications are quite more expensive than V and V6tt but I did not check the pricing in Europe, or if 500 powertrains are available at all.

 

[spwolf]

p.s. bestcar also had info on new Crown, that goes on sale in 2 months and it will have 2.0t, 300h and 3.5l V6... so i guess we will not see anything all-new there, but it might preview updates to the engines coming to GA rwd platform.

 

[Madi]

Leaked image from a member in LEXUS Club :

 

[spwolf]

thanks a lot @Madi... I think it looks awesome, it is sell like gangbusters. Obviously NA version from dealer event.

 

[DDas]

Was just about to post what @Madi posted! I'm in love with the new look of the ES!! It's looking really classy and elegant and sexy! Can't wait to see the whole thing.

 

[spwolf]

just reminded me to look at old spy shots... Toyota always tests with real wheels, so we can confirm F-Sport version here.

 

[Benito]

Grill looks good.

 

[DDas]

just reminded me to look at old spy shots... Toyota always tests with real wheels, so we can confirm F-Sport version here.

With the ES replacing the GS, there has to be an F-Sport! I'm wondering if we will see an ESF to replace the next GSF....?

 

[spwolf]

With the ES replacing the GS, there has to be an F-Sport! I'm wondering if we will see an ESF to replace the next GSF....?

i doubt it, but i have long argued with what would be wrong about ES-F having 400hp and 3.5tt engine... but my american friends think that anything below 500hp is disgrace to F and as such, with americans being #1 buyers for F cars, I dont see it happening.

Audi has been very successful with their S vehicles, as supposed to RS.

 

[krew]

Leaked: Photo of the Next Generation Lexus ES Sedan

Baby-LS on deck.

View the original article post

 

[DDas]

I remember 5 years ago or so when the current generation was leaked (attached). Still such a beautiful car! As I have said many times before, I think it looks really, really good, but will it be good enough to replace the GS? I don't know...It'll definitely replace the current ES well, for it'll gain a more elegant look, but will it be sporty enough to have GS soul? I guess we'll have to wait and see.

 

[spwolf]

I remember 5 years ago or so when the current generation was leaked (attached). Still such a beautiful car! As I have said many times before, I think it looks really, really good, but will it be good enough to replace the GS? I don't know...It'll definitely replace the current ES well, for it'll gain a more elegant look, but will it be sporty enough to have GS soul? I guess we'll have to wait and see.

it will never be able to really replace the GS, but will it be able to better cover similar market in Europe and Japan? Sure, a lot better.

 

[spwolf]

@krew nice article and compare with LS... also pic was posted on instagram, by name i would say US dealer employee.