Worst one comes from Toyota Europe, trying to kill the Corolla for the Auris.
Guess what? Cadillac China has launched a massive ad campaign called 'no RWD no luxury' to promote the CT4 and it seems to work well despite of COVID-19.
Wrong. The reason Toyota pivoted and reimagined the Mirai as a RWD premium luxury product is because they realized there is no way to sell a $50k econobox, even if it ran on hydrogen and only emitted water. How do you make an appealing buying case for hydrogen technology? You put it in a package that feels like it justifies the price tag. That is: premium RWD chassis, Lexus interior, Lexus engineering and 11th hour Toyota exterior styling.
Why do you think Tesla is so successful as a luxury brand? They charge absurd amounts of money for cars with interiors equal to a $35k econo cars... but it is the overall package with batteries and being a tech leader that people are willing to pay $$ for, which helps to return a profit.
The best case showcase AND business case for hydrogen FCV would have been a (more premium) Lexus rather than a Toyota. In my .02: ultra dramatic four door, LC-inspired coupe with hydrogen tech, reimagined as the GS or whatever else you want to call it.
In this market, selling a $50k+ sedan from a mainstream brand is really quite stupid. Nobody is buying sedans, let alone $50k experiments from a brand that is known for selling $25k basic transportation.
Hey mikeavelli quick question when you got your new LC did you think about getting a GSF at all? Just wondering I know how passionate you are about the GS! Not saying the LC was a wrong choice at all!Part of me just died
Hey mikeavelli quick question when you got your new LC did you think about getting a GSF at all? Just wondering I know how passionate you are about the GS! Not saying the LC was a wrong choice at all!
You make a good point but for my side of the argument
What about 180hp Toyota FCV gives you an impression that it would be a good Tesla fighter? That vehicle is OPPOSITE of what Tesla sells - high technology and acceleration in cheap package. Mirai is traditional Toyota technology (infotaiment) that you can get in Corolla and acceleration from... Camry, in beautiful, high quality package. So completely opposite of Tesla.
And I am not wrong at all, most people in Europe and around the world never heard of Lexus or know they can buy a Lexus.
It would be complete mistake for them to sell FCV as Lexus today. It makes no sense at all. Countries that are trying to push FCVs, barely have any Lexus dealerships.
As to nobody will buy a sedan, then I guess here is your reason that GS was cancelled.
I understand wanting to stay out of the way of your wife's decision hoping she'd pick the right one...and I don't think anyone would disagree that the LC to look at is just incredible and the drive is great as well.I thought about it but the looks and updates to the LC had my heart. The best two driving Lexus currently are the LC and GS F in regards to sport. Have yet to drive updated RC F/Track. I am right now texting a friend to maybe pick up a yellow one.
When the GS F initially debuted I tried to buy one. When the numbers came back they were very high. This was to replace the LS F-Sport. Some at Lexus USA was in the loop as I had big plans for that car. Didn’t make financial sense for me at the time.
Fast forward to 2019 and I told my wife go for the LS F-Sport or GS F to replace RX F-Sport. I then stayed out of her hair and buying decision. She came home with an ES F-Sport. It became crystal clear the problem they were having as my own household went for the ES. Oh the cruel irony. It is the best ES ever, no doubt. It is no GS or LS. Now I’m wishing I forced my hand, got taxed by her and had a GS F here.
I can’t explain enough how good the GS F is, the GS F-Sport and even a luxury or base GS. The car is tuned right out the gate. It is lively and full of energy. A writer would call it “soul”. The interior is fantastic . So are the seats. Good tech. Decent back seat and trunk. It is unbelievable it’s gone. I haven’t moved much today.
Lexus used to be a company with entry level, badge engineered Toyota products like the ES and RX that served as the gateway drugs to a robust portfolio of dedicated, RWD, premium products that were class leading, unique and compelling.
This was always the case with Toyota....before Lexus, Toyota had premium RWD cars for the US....The Cressida with the I6, Supra and Land Crusier all come to mind......The first gen GS Lexus was also shared with Toyota Crown for Japan and the early SC models were platformed off the Supra at the time.
I understand wanting to stay out of the way of your wife's decision hoping she'd pick the right one...and I don't think anyone would disagree that the LC to look at is just incredible and the drive is great as well.
Yeah I didn't have to leave the house today but I went to the gas station purely to get out in my GS. It was something so different this morning and I only drove like 4 miles total. I haven't really driven it much the last month because of working from home but I keep going back and thank God my wife gave me the go ahead to get it when I did and that I got the GS instead of the ES. Agree best ES ever but no GS.
I've never really thought that much of buying it once my lease is up but I think I really will think about it. My wife doesn't really want another NX (now that could change when we get the new one out!) and I don't really want an older model GX or LX until it's updated. Depending on the status of new IS and LF1 (when it comes out in 2022) the best option might be my GS and I think I would be okay with that. She's a beauty and well below on miles already.
It's truly a shame that the news is official.
Sad day for Lexus and GS fans, owners, and enthusiasts.
FFFF.