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Toyota does that. It there a law that requires Toyota to do that or does Toyota do it by its own will?

Governments are pushing BEVs, but are they preparing any environmental framework for mass battery disposal? If companies do not want to do anything until they are not required to, they won't, till scandal breaks out. See plastic (not solved yet), diesel, not to name all the other things in various industries.

there are both laws and all manufacturers do it because they make money on it.

it is really a very much solved problem thanks to Toyota, now Tesla and few others sellings total over 20m+ batteries across the globe, which means they are being recycled everywhere.
 

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there are both laws and all manufacturers do it because they make money on it.

it is really a very much solved problem thanks to Toyota, now Tesla and few others sellings total over 20m+ batteries across the globe, which means they are being recycled everywhere.
NiMH recycling is much more established than Li-ion recycling. The process is safer and less energy intensive, and Toyota uses a common cell design across the fleet. So recycling for them is only slightly cost-negative (and cost-neutral when combined with reuse).

Problem with Li-ion is that it's very cost-negative. No Li-ion recycler could make a profit, at least not safely and responsibly. It also doesn't help there are dozens of chemistry and cell/pack designs, so a different process is required to recycle each brand of EV. Also there are 10x as many batteries in one Tesla than in one Prius. The scale is completely different.

The hybrid HV battery cells are exported in EPA approved sealed containers for recovery of base metals. The printed circuit boards are exported for recovery of copper, lead, gold and silver.
This doesn't sound right to me as they don't explain what happens to the "exported" cells and PCBs: Where are they exported? To whom? How are the materials recovered? Majority of the world's metal recycling are done in third world countries by waste pickers without safety and environmental oversight. The devil is in the details.

I wouldn't say Toyota solved the recycling problem. They just did their part. But the whole recycling chain is far from complete.
 

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Agree with both @Levi and partly @ssun30
Li will be a major future catastrophic problem that every major manufacturer and every political party trying not to see it or hide it
 
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Wow.... If I'm not mistaken, Toyota is preparing to launch a 4 cylinder turbo engine with water injection!

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And a new fuel injector!

Is this the rumored 2.4T, new GR engine or just a patent to safeguard R&D?
 

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Greeting! Here some old news from China~
GTE's WeChat Official Account has been announced ushered in the official mass production of TNGA 2.5L engine last week. The first engine it showed at ceremony as a 2.5HV (local-production code A25D-FXS), The plant leader sign they's name on intake manifold for memorial.
GTE is also the world's first overseas plant to have a full line of TNGA models in addition to Toyota's local Kamigo Plant. Six production line for producting 1.5L M15C, 2.0L M20C(gas only)/M20F(for 2.0 hybrid system) and A25C(gas only)/A25D(for 2.5L hybrid system).

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Greeting! Here some old news from China~
GTE's WeChat Official Account has been announced ushered in the official mass production of TNGA 2.5L engine last week. The first engine it showed at ceremony as a 2.5HV (local-production code A25D-FXS), The plant leader sign they's name on intake manifold for memorial.
GTE is also the world's first overseas plant to have a full line of TNGA models in addition to Toyota's local Kamigo Plant. Six production line for producting 1.5L M15C, 2.0L M20C(gas only)/M20F(for 2.0 hybrid system) and A25C(gas only)/A25D(for 2.5L hybrid system).

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Haih don't know until when will Toyota finally release a new generation Vios with that M15A/M15C engine, they keep dragging out the current gen with minor change after minor change, but then again the 3rd gen Japanese and European Yaris(XP130) was in production for 9 FREAKING YEARS before the new 4th gen Yaris came along.

The transition to new generation of platform and powertrains for their B-segment cars seems like quite the clusterf@ck. Heck I think even the current gen Aygo is going to have a much more normal product lifespan before the new gen TNGA version debuts despite being in an even less profitable segment when compared to its B-segment siblings.
 

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Haih don't know until when will Toyota finally release a new generation Vios with that M15A/M15C engine, they keep dragging out the current gen with minor change after minor change, but then again the 3rd gen Japanese and European Yaris(XP130) was in production for 9 FREAKING YEARS before the new 4th gen Yaris came along.

The transition to new generation of platform and powertrains for their B-segment cars seems like quite the clusterf@ck. Heck I think even the current gen Aygo is going to have a much more normal product lifespan before the new gen TNGA version debuts despite being in an even less profitable segment when compared to its B-segment siblings.

It is just a price thing. New Yaris is very expensive vehicle. There is little chance Vios will be that. Yaris Hybrid is priced in Corolla Hybrid territory, and yes, with smaller engine, less equipment, lesser materials, etc.

Same goes for Aygo, it will still have long product cycle because it is really cheap car, they need more time.
 

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Also small car sales are dwindling in China so there's no point making a more expensive Vios. For SEA the Vios is still competitive for a few years.
 

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Also small car sales are dwindling in China so there's no point making a more expensive Vios. For SEA the Vios is still competitive for a few years.

or it will happen what happened in Australia, where Yaris sales went down 50% YoY due to huge increase in price.

In EU it did not happen because people are willing to pay more for premium small car, and will buy more of them, hence Yaris being on podium for the first time ever in EU, despite gigantic price increase of 20%+ for base!
 

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I guess the 3rd gen Vios will probably have a 10 year lifespan?

The new Yaris is selling like hotcakes in Japan too, is the increase in price not that big in Japan or is it because people are willing to pay extra?
 

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Does refreshed ES300h count toward those 10 new and improved BEV/PHEV/HEV models they've announced in PR few weeks ago?
 

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A G16E-GTS modified to run on hydrogen.
 

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ICE burning hydrogen makes no sense. G16E-GTS weighs 109kg and makes 200kW. Burning H2 reduces power by half so the engine would only make 100kW. The extremely high combustion temperature forces a very lean mixture.

Three Mirai FC stacks weigh the same and make 4 times that power while being twice as efficient.