Official Lexus Future Product & Powertrain Megathread

[F1 Silver Arrows]

Best wishes of course, imagine if Lexus was secretly developing a bruiser GS-F hybrid....not for sales, but more of engineering prowess display.

This is what I'd like the GS to be. The experimental vehicle that pushes boundaries like the AMG GT 4-Door. The ES would be your regular luxury midsize sedan and the LS would have been your flagship sedan. The GS would have a unique business case being in between as a sportback-type car.

 

[ssun30]

Mi SU7 Ultra just beat Taycan Turbo GT's Nurburgring time by over 20s. 6min46s with a 1900kg 4 door BEV (although it's not production spec).

If the GR GT or whatever it's called can't do sub 6min40s they might as well not release it. How hard could it be to beat the LFA's time by 30s with almost twice the power and semislick tires?

 

[carguy420]

We have car manufacturers that have no problem producing some awesome engines (NA V12s, TT V12s, screaming flat 6s in Porsche's GT cars, turbo inline 6s that punch well above their weight) that can still pass emissions regulations, but here we might end up with muh 4 cylinder hibird sUbRaH because that's all what TMC is willing to muster up, I bet it will still be much more expensive than the current Supra despite having just an inline 4 (assuming it goes into production).

 

[carguy420]

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a62737852/volkswagen-financial-woes-german-plant-closures/

Seriously TMC, don't turn Lexus into an EV only brand, unless you really don't mind sending your luxury brand straight to the automotive graveyard.

You could build the fastest and most powerful EV in the world, but even then hardly anyone would give a crap about it and it will end up sitting at the dealership collecting dust and taking up space. Most performance car buyers still want ICE cars, whether it's hot hatchbacks or hypercars, and now even many non-car people have finally found out the shortcomings of EVs, with some finding it out the hard way, e.g. houses getting burnt down by an EV, amazingly high insurance costs, pathetic used market value, etc. etc.

 

[Levi]

So just 1 generation later the LC goes from 5.0 V8 to 2.0 I4. Did they learn no lesson from the C63?

The problem of the C63 is not that it has 4 cylinders. The problem is the 4 cylinder car is heavier than the TTV8, slower than the V8, not more fuel efficient than the V8. Now if TMC new performance hybrid 4 cylinder is heavy, slow and not fuel efficient, then indeed they learned nothing. Lexus GS 450h had shown they could get V8 performance with diesel economy. That was ground breaking and was to be the Supra before (FT-HS) getting cancelled and transformed in the an FT-86.

 

[Gor134]

The 4-cylinder is the problem too. People bought C63s because they're essentially German muscle cars

 

[qtb007]

The problem of the C63 is not that it has 4 cylinders. The problem is the 4 cylinder car is heavier than the TTV8, slower than the V8, not more fuel efficient than the V8. Now if TMC new performance hybrid 4 cylinder is heavy, slow and not fuel efficient, then indeed they learned nothing. Lexus GS 450h had shown they could get V8 performance with diesel economy. That was ground breaking and was to be the Supra before (FT-HS) getting cancelled and transformed in the an FT-86.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a46883208/2024-mercedes-amg-c63-s-e-performance-test/

"We had a chance to test a Euro-spec example in Europe and it hit 60 mph in just 2.9 seconds, 0.7 seconds quicker than the previous-generation car."

"Mercedes claims a combined rating of 40 MPGe when using both gas and electricity."

While the weight gain is 100% true, we don't know how the weight impacts the efficiency in the real world.

 

[spwolf]

Mi SU7 Ultra just beat Taycan Turbo GT's Nurburgring time by over 20s. 6min46s with a 1900kg 4 door BEV (although it's not production spec).

If the GR GT or whatever it's called can't do sub 6min40s they might as well not release it. How hard could it be to beat the LFA's time by 30s with almost twice the power and semislick tires?

nobody beat anything in anything, this is not a production car or anything that will be sold, ever. It is one of just for PR.

 

[spwolf]

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a62737852/volkswagen-financial-woes-german-plant-closures/

Seriously TMC, don't turn Lexus into an EV only brand, unless you really don't mind sending your luxury brand straight to the automotive graveyard.

You could build the fastest and most powerful EV in the world, but even then hardly anyone would give a crap about it and it will end up sitting at the dealership collecting dust and taking up space. Most performance car buyers still want ICE cars, whether it's hot hatchbacks or hypercars, and now even many non-car people have finally found out the shortcomings of EVs, with some finding it out the hard way, e.g. houses getting burnt down by an EV, amazingly high insurance costs, pathetic used market value, etc. etc.

I dont think you understand what VW has problems with - their problem is they did not really turn in EV brand and their EVs suck, hence sales in their big markets that are EV centric are falling bad and are hurting profits.

VWs problems are not EVs but lack of good EVs.

Thus it is hurting them in China and it is hurting them somewhat in Europe, their major markets.

They still sell a lot of petrol cars, they did not stop doing that... but they are losing money.

 

[dylanfoos]

It seems like we will be getting a Toyota and Lexus vairant of the LFR, with the lexus version coming first. Spent some time reading some articles, and that seems to be the case. The Lexus variant seems to be the one that we wil be seeing first then the Toyota version coming after.

 

[sl0519]

It seems like we will be getting a Toyota and Lexus vairant of the LFR, with the lexus version coming first. Spent some time reading some articles, and that seems to be the case. The Lexus variant seems to be the one that we wil be seeing first then the Toyota version coming after.

I'm confused. Few days ago didn't someone just confirm it will be branded as Toyota instead, and was also proven by the magazine?

 

[Gor134]

I'm confused. Few days ago didn't someone just confirm it will be branded as Toyota instead, and was also proven by the magazine?

Yes, but the BestCar online articles are always 3 months behind the magazine articles.

 

[sl0519]

Yes, but the BestCar online articles are always 3 months behind the magazine articles.

Yeah but Dylan was saying we are getting a Lexus variant (LFR)?? (I'm well awared we are getting a BEV one but I'm still coping for the TTV8 LEXUS!)

 

[carguy420]

From the GRIP anime on Toyota USA's channel.

 

[MrT]

Pie in the sky, same as all those engines promised at the beginning of this thread.

 

[NomadDan]

I feel like I’m missing something here. The rumor mill is saying the 1.6T and 5.0 will continue being produced for the new GR86 and new IS500. How is this possible with the 2027 emission requirements?

 

[internalaudit]

Can't they sell these and absorb the emission penalties, these aren't going to sell in droves anyway with how prices have gone through the roof on may luxury vehicles?

 

[sl0519]

Can't they sell these and absorb the emission penalties, these aren't going to sell in droves anyway with how prices have gone through the roof on may luxury vehicles?

They absolutely can, else why do you think those European cars still selling 6s and big V8s?

 

[internalaudit]

They absolutely can, else why do you think those European cars still selling 6s and big V8s?

Okay, so emissions standard is a non-issue for these non-bread and butter vehicles.

Hoping Lexus will astound us all with upcoming products and keep tried and true components and just pay the penalties for the time being until these are tested and proven on Toyota offerings.

 

[Demetrius]

I assume the EPA will get more relaxed over the next 4 years with their mpg requirements. Could we see enthusiast friendly powerplants come back? Or still full steam ahead on EVs?