I wonder if enthusiast complaints, competitive offerings from other marques, and quality concerns will make Toyota change direction in select segments?
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This might be a dumb question, but would larger turbos and a new tune allow the V35 to retain current power output? Would gas particulate filters, like what’s on the LS, help the Tundra/Sequoia/LX/LC300 at all?
I know I’ve mentioned this in the past, but I still hope Toyota will make a new I6 based on the 2.0 I4. Maybe a 3.0 using the same internals as the 2.0 to save production costs. Offer it in a single turbo (GX, LC250, LC70, some LC300), twin turbo (Tundra, Sequoia, LC300, LX, LS), high performance twin turbo (Supra, LC+RC, IS-F, GR Crown Sedan).
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(Not sure if the translation is accurate) - Best Car (November 10, 2024 issue)
"The movement of the Lexus LC + RC integrated coupe is becoming a little harder to see. They are moving towards becoming a PHEV-only brand that is closer to BEVs. They wont be releasing sports cars that aren't like that anymore. Is there any point in Toyota and Lexus releasing Supra-class sports cars? Maybe it'll be sold only overseas."
"The movement of the Lexus LC + RC integrated coupe is becoming a little harder to see. They are moving towards becoming a PHEV-only brand that is closer to BEVs. They wont be releasing sports cars that aren't like that anymore. Is there any point in Toyota and Lexus releasing Supra-class sports cars? Maybe it'll be sold only overseas."
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(Not sure if the translation is accurate) - Best Car (November 10, 2024 issue)
"It's Toyotas next-generation BEV. Its a car developed at the newly established BEV factory, starting with the LF-ZC (next generation IS). There will be major changes in production methods such as gigcast , and the next-gen battery is said to have twice the driving range and reduce production costs by 20%. It is unclear how they will achieve this."
"Of cours, its Toyota, so they're not making big claims and they probably have a plan. But, when asked a battery manufacturer, they said they didn't know what they are going to do".
"It's Toyotas next-generation BEV. Its a car developed at the newly established BEV factory, starting with the LF-ZC (next generation IS). There will be major changes in production methods such as gigcast , and the next-gen battery is said to have twice the driving range and reduce production costs by 20%. It is unclear how they will achieve this."
"Of cours, its Toyota, so they're not making big claims and they probably have a plan. But, when asked a battery manufacturer, they said they didn't know what they are going to do".
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Looks like we're going to need to resort to Toyota for any enthusiast cars for the foreseeable future.
I think it's time that people get used to it now and dismiss any news of Lexus coming with any enthusiast product that will arise in the upcoming future.
I think it's time that people get used to it now and dismiss any news of Lexus coming with any enthusiast product that will arise in the upcoming future.
I've started looking around at other brand sports cars I may have to resort to in the next two years if the LFR is overpriced (likely) or underwhelms. I have a feeling the LC+RC replacement ain't gonna cut it if it comes with that 2.0 4cyl.
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Yup. They're choosing to sabotage themselves and you know what? I'm not even angry anymore. I made my peace with it.
I have high hopes for the LFA/LFR, but the sooner we realize that Lexus is going to start building anemic couches again and the only form of enthusiast cars we will get from Lexus are electric, the better. I'm one of the more enthusiastic individuals out here, but it's clear that Lexus (not Toyota), aren't responding to the enthusiasm.
We're all here because we like Toyota and Lexus, so I would avert my eyes from Lexus now and move to OEMs like Toyota. If we want to try something out of the Toyota/Lexus sphere, then move towards companies that still share our love of engineering and build amazing vehicles. In this case, I'd look no further than companies like GM (namely Cadillac, and Chevy's Corvette) and BMW. Their teams build reliable, fun, and relatively well-built machines that we wished Lexus would try taking steps towards. GM in particular has arguably the most passionate and badass engineers on the planet.
I also can't believe I'm saying this, but Hyundai can be an option to look at, but I don't think the majority will approach them at this point. With that said though, their quality is still nowhere near as good as Toyotas, but now that Toyota (NA especially) is playing silly games just like Hyundai with their warranties, you can still take a look at them if Toyota (for any reason) doesn't interest anyone here. To be honest, I think the vast majority of people would prefer Toyota still because of their products being an order of magnitude more superior, but still, it's an option.
So, I guess let's try to embrace this new era of Lexus. If it falls on its face, that's on them and their sheer idiocy for abandoning a pragmatic approach to cars. While it's also depressing, I'm choosing to be positive and look ahead (despite what lies ahead is particularly bleak for people who want internal combustion engines, and that's all I'll say for now).
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If this is true I am extremely disappointed. All our expectations were in vain. Lexus doesn’t care about us LC owners, and from the very beginning, they had no intention of giving us a second-generation LC at all.
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TBD. I believe the Celica will be coming, as well as the SF-R.
I'm not yet so sure about the MR-2, the EV concept itself to me seemed like it was intended to be an A90 successor but I don't see this coming to fruition, and GR Starlet I don't think it happening because Toyota JUST revived the Starlet name for a rebadged Suzuki Baleno.
I'm not yet so sure about the MR-2, the EV concept itself to me seemed like it was intended to be an A90 successor but I don't see this coming to fruition, and GR Starlet I don't think it happening because Toyota JUST revived the Starlet name for a rebadged Suzuki Baleno.
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As much of the article has a lot of uncertainty (A lot of us too), it's not confirmed. We still have hope with the potential 600hp manual RC and LFR. Not much we can do now other than wait and hope for good news/updates. We are a few days away from the Tokyo Mobility Show where we might be able to get some new updates whether they are good or bad.
The LA Auto Show is also next month. There could be something we could see/hear from there. This link might be useful to check if anything does appear on the Lexus side. I’ll keep you guys updated anyways ✌🏾
The LA Auto Show is also next month. There could be something we could see/hear from there. This link might be useful to check if anything does appear on the Lexus side. I’ll keep you guys updated anyways ✌🏾
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I always wondered how limited LFR would be if it ever sees the light of the day. Toyota GR Super Sport Concept was cancelled probably because of LFR
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A100 is on the way, although there is a chance that there will be a gap between the A90 and A100, but Toyota didn't revive the Supra name only for them to kill it again.
GR Super Sport was cancelled because one caught on fire and that spooked the living hell out of Toyota. That's honestly the saddest thing I've ever heard of honestly. They even had order books where people could send them an inquiry. We could have had a Toyota hypercar, but alas... Toyota will be Toyota. :/
One fire. Just one fire made them pull out from the entire project. Dead.
That money then got reallocated to the new LFA/a supposed Toyota equivalent, and the Lexus Electrified Sport Concept.
Yeah, with the amount of hints Toyota has dropped about the Celica, I think it's the one that has the highest chance of being green lit for production.
Here's hoping the Vision Copen gets repurposed into becoming the SF-R, instead of being thrown into the scrap bin.
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You voiced my thoughts. I don’t know what I can get after the LC.
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Track drive: Lexus let us test its cars on the Shimoyama proving grounds
Do they live up to the brand’s ‘Lexus Driving Signature’ claim?
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