Official 7th Generation ES Thread: Full Reveal on 4/25 in Beijing

[DDas]

I find the render to be quite legit too! It looks amazing, but it looks good for an ES replacement...not so much a GS replacement IMO. I say this because the GS is sporty whereas this is more luxurious (nothing wrong with that of course). I still have confidence the GS will come back as an A7 competitor later on.

 

[Ian Schmidt]

I think this looks a lot better than the current ES, and that a higher-end AWD version could fill the space between the ES and LS better than the current GS does. The GS is the car between the IS and a high-performance premium sedan that Lexus never bothered to make.

 

[maiaramdan]

So I will restore my GS-F & my previous generation GS450h and making them as the idols of good dream

 

[mediumhot]

Since we now have some PU info it's becoming more obvious that US, Russia, Ukraine and Middle East will keep the current V6 while other regions that prefer downsizing will get the 2.5 Turbo with similar horsepower to current V6. I'm also suspecting EU will get 2.0 from new Toyota Corolla Hatchback and hybrid option goes global. Maybe they have 450h trick up their sleeve new ES as well.

 

[CrisB]

This car will not sell to the GS buyer, and quite frankly, I am not sure it will really compete with E Class. FWD A6 variants? Maybe.

I agree with you.

After having four IS, in a couple of year I would like change my IS300H MY2017 with a bigger car.
LS is too much, so I had great expectations for the next ES (if available in EU) but if this render is similar to the final version, to be honest, I am so sorry if they end the GS development, the new ES.... does not give me enough emotions.

I hope the final version will be more brave and more competitive with A6.

And also I am curious to see inside and, above all the technology.

 

[GTG]

This redesign looks good , the GS will be missed and maybe the GS F may go up in price . If this is true .

 

[maiaramdan]

Honestly if it looks anything like this render I will take the new Avalon over it any day

 

[Yuan]

Why is the

Honestly if it looks anything like this render I will take the new Avalon over it any day

The Avalon looks way more bold, and its basically the same car with a cheaper price tag, I don't see why not. I feel like ES buyer are mostly brand snobs that buys the Lexus brand. Unless it has AWD and I doubt that will happen right at launch.

 

[GTG]

A Avalon is a Avalon , a Lexus ES is a way of life ! Add it along with the LS and it’s the real reason we all are on this site . These two cars built what we all talk about all the time . And the head lights look cool .

 

[Axel]

Killing the GS for this Hyundai lookalike. The sad part now is toyota have found direction when it comes to styling lexus is still confused

 

[OlFius]

A Avalon is a Avalon , a Lexus ES is a way of life ! .

It all depends on what your way of life means, something I absolutely don't want to judge.
But the new ES may have a little bit more than this render, we've already seen better.

If the new ES is positioned between the current ES and the GS, then it can be much more.
It will be a very important version for Lexus, especially now that we're a bit in the dark about what will happen to the GS.
As @krew already mentioned, we can only hope that the concept of the LF-1 was an indication for a totally new GS, why not ?!
But I don't believe that there is already confirmation that the LF-1 concept will ever become a production model.

As long as it moves forward a little, and that no less than 5 years is needed, because I can't wait that long.
There are other (very exciting) alternatives, maybe that's something I'm looking for in my life?

 

[GTG]

The GS is a great car , but the ES is more than that . Sales sales sales , sales people , the ES is selling more than the GS in almost all of its markets . If you drive a Toyota Avalon or what ever and you think it looks good and even better than an ES because this rendering is to much for you then that cool . Just saying the GS is lacking in many areas against it competitors and the ES has maybe three to complete with , its ahead of them all the time in sales . , when I say a way of life I mean if you like Lexus then you can go get a different car . And if you love Lexus you will buy it no matter how it looks . Dependable , value , comfort, resale value the list goes on . If I could get a GS F or GS or Lexus give me one cool . This ES looks great but we will see the final product soon .

 

[krew]

There are two conversations happening at the same time -- this rendering of the next-generation ES, and the fact that the ES looks to be replacing the GS as the Lexus midsize sedan.

Standing alone, a new ES that looks like that rendering is a home run. It's once we start factoring in the GS cancellation things get complicated.

This is a sales move most definitely, as developing a new GS would take up resources that could be allocated to crossovers and the ES is a near-guaranteed success. I see this as Lexus shifting away from the 5-series & E Class mold and pursuing the Audi A6. That said, there's an emotional component with the GS that the ES just doesn't have.

I'm torn on this, honestly. And like so much, it depends on the product. The ES will not be able to replicate the GS driving experience, but it's tough to write off a car based on an unofficial photochop.

 

[Yuan]

There are two conversations happening at the same time -- this rendering of the next-generation ES, and the fact that the ES looks to be replacing the GS as the Lexus midsize sedan.

Standing alone, a new ES that looks like that rendering is a home run. It's once we start factoring in the GS cancellation things get complicated.

This is a sales move most definitely, as developing a new GS would take up resources that could be allocated to crossovers and the ES is a near-guaranteed success. I see this as Lexus shifting away from the 5-series & E Class mold and pursuing the Audi A6. That said, there's an emotional component with the GS that the ES just doesn't have.

I'm torn on this, honestly. And like so much, it depends on the product. The ES will not be able to replicate the GS driving experience, but it's tough to write off a car based on an unofficial photochop.

However A6 have S and RS/Avant trims and have AWD in the top trims. A6/7 are still considered exciting cars to a lot of people, the ES is known for its bland drawing experience and it will be hard to turn that around even if Lexus make the ES exciting to drive. ES will always be the "overpriced" Toyota Avalon.

 

[mikeavelli]

However A6 have S and RS/Avant trims and have AWD in the top trims. A6/7 are still considered exciting cars to a lot of people, the ES is known for its bland drawing experience and it will be hard to turn that around even if Lexus make the ES exciting to drive. ES will always be the "overpriced" Toyota Avalon.

You do realize up until a couple of years ago the base A6 here was a 210hp CVT, FWD car right. So please lets not just bash Lexus. While I agree the ES nameplate will be a tough name to turnaround the good news is it has a strong base already compared to the GS.

If the ES looks anything like that rendering and from what I've heard internally, it will be a grand slam home run. It just is a shame it seems the GS will be gone.

 

[Yuan]

You do realize up until a couple of years ago the base A6 here was a 210hp CVT, FWD car right. So please lets not just bash Lexus. While I agree the ES nameplate will be a tough name to turnaround the good news is it has a strong base already compared to the GS.

If the ES looks anything like that rendering and from what I've heard internally, it will be a grand slam home run. It just is a shame it seems the GS will be gone.

So? Did the A6 not have the S and RS version before the couple of years ago?
ES don't even have AWD to offer at any trim. I'm not against cookie cutters, I don't like having whole bunch of them and nothing exciting.

 

[TheNerdyPotato]

As I understand, the underpinnings of the IS and GS are very closely related. It could be that the IS will grow into being the GS replacement, regardless of the ES.

 

[ssun30]

As I understand, the underpinnings of the IS and GS are very closely related. It could be that the IS will grow into being the GS replacement, regardless of the ES.

Which is a logical step they should take. A 10 cm/4 inch stretch is all it takes to put the IS in a different segment.

 

[TheNerdyPotato]

Which could then leave an opening for a new entry-level coupe. RWD 2-seater with that 2.5T and Lexus refinement for <$35k would hit a sweet spot for me, especially if it was offered with a manual transmission.

 

[ssun30]

Which could then leave an opening for a new entry-level coupe. RWD 2-seater with that 2.5T and Lexus refinement for <$35k would hit a sweet spot for me, especially if it was offered with a manual transmission.

But that's pretty much a recipe for disaster from a financial perspective. One can dream though.