MKV Toyota Supra Master Thread

[supra93]

Guff was nice enough to show us it in some different colors.

 

[Joaquin Ruhi]

@supra93 : Is the full text of that Wheels article available somewhere? Reading the first page from that second photo whet my appetite for reading the rest.

 

[supra93]

@supra93 : Is the full text of that Wheels article available somewhere? Reading the first page from that second photo whet my appetite for reading the rest.

Supramkv member @RyleyMA61 is working on that.

https://www.supramkv.com/threads/new-supra-on-the-cover-of-wheels-magazine.1360/

 

[Joaquin Ruhi]

Supramkv member @RyleyMA61 is working on that.

https://www.supramkv.com/threads/new-supra-on-the-cover-of-wheels-magazine.1360/

Thanks! :thumbsup:

 

[F1 Silver Arrows]

@supra93 Guff and A70TTR need to join Lexus Enthusiast. I have been a lurker on that forum for freaking ever. They should join our forums!!

Especially how the latter is involved in a very high profile and lucrative project with Lexus (the LC F).

 

[supra93]

@supra93 Guff and A70TTR need to join Lexus Enthusiast. I have a lurker on that forum for freaking ever. They should join our forums!!

Especially how the latter is involved in a very high profile and lucrative project with Lexus (the LC F).

They won't listen to me Maybe you should join and send them a PM

In other news.

The A90 Toyota Supra Prototype Comes to the US!

https://www.supramkv.com/threads/the-a90-toyota-supra-prototype-comes-to-the-us.1364/

 

[F1 Silver Arrows]

@supra93 Wait why won't they listen to you? :weary_face:

Will any incentives work? XD There needs to be a reason why they won't join. Ask them again and tell them they should join us, and we want them around LOL! If that doesn't happen then I probably will make an account (not sure if I will though). They are very close to Lexus/Toyota and their knowledge is valuable to everyone. They don't have anything dedicated to Lexus like we have to Toyota, it makes better sense for both of them to join us.

 

[supra93]

^Everyone ignores me . But I do know both of them are super busy with ongoing projects and not including their own personally private lives.

Back on topic; the strip tease continues.

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[supra93]

 

[Gecko]

Man... the car was flying around that track!

 

[supra93]

A few more close ups.

 

[Gecko]

Prototype first drives (copied and pasted from SupraMKV.com):

AutoBild
http://www.autobild.de/artikel/toyota-supra-2019-alle-infos-zum-sportcoupe-5259623.html

AutoBlog
https://www.autoblog.com/2018/09/19/2019-toyota-supra-driving-review-774922/

Autocar
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/toyota/first-drives/toyota-supra-2019-prototype-review

AutoExpress
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/toyota/supra/104665/new-toyota-supra-prototype-review

Automobile
https://www.automobilemag.com/news/first-drive-2020-toyota-supra-prototype/

AutoTrader
https://www.autotrader.co.za/car-news/toyota/supra/4dd430c6-37a5-4521-acfb-4e17fb163018-the-all-new-toyota-supra-–-global-first-drive-impression

Car and Driver
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2020-toyota-supra-prototype-drive

CAR Magazine
https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-reviews/toyota/supra-coupe/

Caradvice
https://www.caradvice.com.au/686018/2019-toyota-supra-review-prototype-drive/
https://www.caradvice.com.au/685920/2019-toyota-supra-australian-launch/

CNET
https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/toyota-supra-first-drive-review/

Drive
https://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/toyota-supra-to-led-new-performance-era-119526
https://www.drive.com.au/new-car-reviews/toyota-supra-2019-international-first-drive-review-119527

EFTM
https://eftm.com/2018/09/2019-toyota-supra-review-its-epic-52336

EVO
https://www.evo.co.uk/toyota/toyota...view-has-toyota-built-a-porsche-cayman-beater

Motor1
https://www.motor1.com/reviews/266561/2019-toyota-supra-first-drive/

The Irish Times
https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and...upra-good-enough-to-take-on-porsche-1.3629263

TopGear
https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/supra-coupe-2019/first-drive

Videos:

 

[Gecko]

 

[Gecko]

I want to know why this car has more front overhang than a 4RX...

 

[supra93]

Rendered from the prototype.

 

[ssun30]

I want to know why this car has more front overhang than a 4RX...

And yet somehow it's FMR, with an Inline-6, and a massive overhang.

 

[Joaquin Ruhi]

And yet somehow it's FMR, with an Inline-6, and a massive overhang.

I don't think anything in the BMW stable (nor the new Supra) could truly be described as front-mid-engined.

 

[Gecko]

If true, this is crazy to me:

Toyota Supra and BMW Z4 development teams cut ties way back in 2014
The teams reportedly went separate ways after agreeing on basics

It seems pretty safe to say that the upcoming new Toyota Supra will not simply be a rebadged BMW Z4, even if the Supra'shardware is largely sourced from BMW. In this case, calling the cars jointly developed might even be a bit of a stretch. Supra program assistant chief engineer Masayuki Kai has said that the Z4 and Supra development teams severed their ties in 2014 and started doing their own thing as soon as the cars' hard points were agreed upon. This differs greatly from the way Toyota and Subaru developed the 86 and BRZ coupes, for example.

According to an interview with CNET, Kai said that his development team hasn't discussed the cars with anyone from BMW in four years. "We agreed on the packaging," Kai said at a Supra event in Madrid, "like where is the hip-point of the driver, what's the wheelbase, the width, where's the fuel tank, where's the A-pillar, this was around the middle of 2014. After that we completely separated our team. After that, no communication with each other." Not even Christmas cards?

Reportedly, Kai's team has little to no knowledge of the new Z4, apart from the platform. There are a host of shared components developed for both cars, but to the Toyota team, it's not that clear how many of those will actually have been used in the finished Z4. Kai didn't disclose if he has personally driven the BMW sibling. The BMW B58 engine began series production in 2015, so by mid-2014 it could have been ready to be handed over to Toyota engineers in a crate labeled "Use This for Supra, This Side Up."

If it can be believed, the entire detached-development story reads like it's simply a positive thing. Instead of just shaping the BMW-related car with a Toyota design language, yet having everything under the skin act identically, Toyota has been able to take the agreed-upon hardware and work it into the direction it sees as the best fit for a car called a Toyota Supra. Masayuki Kai underlined that suspension tuning, throttle response and shifting action have been given as much a Toyota feel as possible — and as seen during our test drive with a prototype G20 3-series, which will share the BMW straight-six engine used the Supra, steering weight and suspension settings can be software adjusted to such a great extent even on the fly that it can feel like a different car for different drivers.

But of course, only a side-by-side comparison will really reveal the differences between the Supra and the Z4.

https://www.autoblog.com/2018/09/21/toyota-supra-bmw-z4-teams-cut-ties/

 

[ssun30]

I don't think anything in the BMW stable (nor the new Supra) could truly be described as front-mid-engined.

I couldn't believe it either from that overhang. But in some video reviews they said the engine sits behind the front axle. This car doesn't have a transaxle to add weight to the rear. If it isn't FMR there's no way it has 50:50 weight distribution (unless there is a 100kg ballast).

So they somehow made an Inline-6 FMR that doesn't have a ridiculously long nose. Has lower CoG than the ground scrapping 86, with that Inline-6. And somehow AHS steel plus aluminum is stronger than carbon fibre. This car just defies our understanding of automotive engineering. I genuinely don't understand how these claims are even possible.

 

[supra93]