MKV Toyota Supra Master Thread

[supra93]

 

[supra93]

SupraMKV's Latest Toyota Supra Renderings With Production Wheels and Bits

https://www.supramkv.com/threads/su...nderings-with-production-wheels-and-bits.836/

 

[supra93]

 

[supra93]

More pics, nothing really new but the headlights are on.

 

[mikeavelli]

Modified its gonna be amazing

 

[CIF]

Interior gives off a strong Mazda 6 vibe with some small Toyota touches. Luckily the interior doesn't really give off a BMW vibe.

 

[supra93]

MKV's insider has some new info to share.

https://www.supramkv.com/threads/interviews-with-chief-engineer-tetsuya-tada.787/page-18

Just got an update on the car from Toyota USA source:

Sub 3000lb curb weight confirmed for production car, carbon roof is standard, and worldwide release is in April 2019.

Covered these forever ago, but nice to see the information is still accurate (though not shocking this late in development). Also, looks like production may indeed begin in the November/December 2018 window as originally reported.

Turns out car does not have a B58 or S58 and is instead a totally new design, but I cannot give details aside from it being an I6 sourced from BMW.

I thought it was gonna end up being new architecture, but I thought it would be derived from an existing design; apparently it is not.

Couldn't get that out of them, but apparently there will only be a single model on launch, so I think it may be $55k only for now. entry level model is more or less aimed at Europe if its produced and see below.

the 4cyl thing is still being developed surprisingly (Toyota isn't really involved I guess), there is no NA I6, and BMW has no idea which motor they want to offer or if multiple.

 

[zeusus]

If Toyota isn't making this to go head to head with GTR in performance, then I really don't know what the point is.

 

[ssun30]

If Toyota isn't making this to go head to head with GTR in performance, then I really don't know what the point is.

GT-R performance means GT-R prices. What is the point of making something above the RC and LC? The A80 was very power and expensive because of Bubble Era. But that is not coming back.

Honda wanted the gen.2 NSX to be superior to the R35, guess how well that worked for them? Very bad.

 

[spwolf]

MKV's insider has some new info to share.

https://www.supramkv.com/threads/interviews-with-chief-engineer-tetsuya-tada.787/page-18

Toyota modified engine... interesting, if it actually happens.

 

[zeusus]

GT-R performance means GT-R prices. What is the point of making something above the RC and LC? The A80 was very power and expensive because of Bubble Era. But that is not coming back.

Honda wanted the gen.2 NSX to be superior to the R35, guess how well that worked for them? Very bad.

Why even name it Supra if that is the concern?

If this MKV isn't going to live up to its own legendary status but be a great sports car for its own price point, then it should be able to do that standing on it's own name.

 

[spwolf]

Why even name it Supra if that is the concern?

If this MKV isn't going to live up to its own legendary status but be a great sports car for its own price point, then it should be able to do that standing on it's own name.

Supra certainly was not an $100k vehicle.... and its main problem before was the price too.

 

[zeusus]

Supra certainly was not an $100k vehicle.... and its main problem before was the price too.

While its true that the Supra wasn't a 100k sports car, did you account for inflation?

Because Toyota Supra's base MSRP of 55k in 98 equals to $84k today.

When the GTR35 was first introduced in 2008, it cost $69k, essentially $81k today.

If today's Supra were to cost $55k, it would have cost $36k in 1998.

Today a brand new GTR starts at 99k but even adjusted for inflation in contrast to 2008, its still 86k, $5000 more than its original MSRP

I feel like my point still stands. But I do maintain hope that Toyota still has some surprises for us. Perhaps there will be a top tier performance Supra that outshines the Nismo GTR, hopefully it will be don the GAZOO racing brand.

 

[supra93]

I'm pretty sure the Supra has always been a 300ZX competitor. Also today's GT-R is a different animal than its 90's counterpart.

 

[zeusus]

I'm pretty sure the Supra has always been a 300ZX competitor. Also today's GT-R is a different animal than its 90's counterpart.

Price wise, adjusted for inflation, the 98 Supra and 08 GTR are competitors. Of course the technology and engineering that came 10 years later was much different and showed vast improvements. By 98, the MK4 Supra was already 5 years old.

The Mk4 Supra and GTR35 are the same caliber cars of different eras.

 

[ssun30]

You just fail to get to point. The Supra had a three decade long history, only five years of which it spent as a very expensive almost-supercar. The A80 only became an almost-supercar because of the Bubble Era, when every single car can be built with zero concern of cost.

What you are suggesting is essentailly the LC-F. In the A80 generation the Supra was elevated to the same level as the Soarer/SC which was the defacto flagship of TMC positioned above the Supra. Since the SC now becomes the LC, we can say the true high performance GT successor to the A80 is the LC-F.

The sole fact that MkV will be a 2-seat light sports car instead of a GT means it will never fully stay true to the Supra name. It will be even closer to the FD RX-7 than to the A80 Supra. So they are free to make it whatever they want it to be.

 

[Levi]

The Supra was also first a Celica.

 

[supra93]

The sole fact that MkV will be a 2-seat light sports car instead of a GT means it will never fully stay true to the Supra name. It will be even closer to the FD RX-7 than to the A80 Supra. So they are free to make it whatever they want it to be.

A GT can still be a 2 seater. Interesting fact, JDM FD's actually had backseats.

A grand tourer (Italian: gran turismo) (GT) is a performance and luxury automobile capable of high speed and long-distance driving. The most common format is a front-engine, rear-wheel-drive two-door coupé with either a two-seat or a 2+2 arrangement.

The Supra was also first a Celica.

Something a lot of people might not know, but in Japan the A40 and A60 were known as the Celica XX.

Why even name it Supra if that is the concern?

If this MKV isn't going to live up to its own legendary status but be a great sports car for its own price point, then it should be able to do that standing on it's own name.

Insider has said stock vs stock, the A90 will outperform it's predecessor.

Price wise, adjusted for inflation, the 98 Supra and 08 GTR are competitors. Of course the technology and engineering that came 10 years later was much different and showed vast improvements. By 98, the MK4 Supra was already 5 years old.

The Mk4 Supra and GTR35 are the same caliber cars of different eras.

The 97 and 98 were actually some of the cheapest ones to buy

The A80 (back then) and R35 (now) were halo or flagship cars for both companies, but that doesn't mean they were in the same extract segment. Pricing goes up and down all the time, but if you want to go back to the pricing argument then the 300ZX was priced similar to the A80.

Toyota Supra

1993 MSRP
NA: $33,900
TT: $39,900

2018 with inflation
NA: $58,778
TT: $69,181

1994 MSRP
NA: $36,900
TT: $44,100

2018 with inflation
NA: $62,382
TT: $74,555

1995 MSRP
SE: $31,100
NA: $39,900
TT: $48,700

2018 with inflation
SE: $51,128
NA: $65,595
TT: $80,062

1996 MSRP
NA: $38,600
TT: $50,400

2018 with inflation
NA: $61,638
TT: $80,481

1997 MSRP
NA: $29,500
TT: $38,200

2018 with inflation
NA: $46,050
TT: $59,631

1998 MSRP
NA: $31,078
TT: $38,778

2018 with inflation
NA: $47,769
TT: $59,605

Nissan 300ZX

1993 MSRP
NA: $30,555
TT: $37,655

2018 with inflation
NA: $52,978
TT: $65,289

1994 MSRP
NA: $33,699
TT: $40,099

2018 with inflation
NA: $56,971
TT: $67,791

1995 MSRP
NA: $36,039
TT: $42,579

2018 with inflation
NA: $59,248
TT: $69,999

1996 MSRP
NA: $37,439
TT: $43,979

2018 with inflation
NA: $59,784
TT: $70,227

 

[supra93]

2019 Toyota Supra to Enter NASCAR’s Xfinity Series Next Year

In North America, Toyota runs the Camry sedan in both the Monster Energy NASCAR Cup Series and NASCAR Xfinity Series. Next year, however, the Japanese automaker will replace the Xfinity-spec Camry for the all-new Supra according to insider intel.

Sports Business Journal argues that the change comes as a result of dwindling sales of sedans in the United States of America. Sports cars aren’t doing too great either, but on the other hand, the Supra is inherently sporty while the Camry is a reliable sedan for people who just want to go from point A to point B in comfort.

For the month of April 2018, Toyota’s sedan sales in the U.S. dropped by almost 5 percent compared to the same period last year. And as a consequence to that, SUVs and trucks are gaining ground across the board.
The last time Toyota won the Xfinity Series was in 2016, scoring 1,362 points and 19 wins as opposed to Chevrolet’s 1,341 points and 11 wins. On a related note, Chevrolet introduced the Camaro to the Monster Energy NASCAR Cup Series this season, while Ford intends to take the Mustang to the top level in 2019 as a replacement for the Fusion.

At the end of the day, modifying the Supra per NASCAR rules isn’t NASCAR trying to get more fans, but Toyota trying to get people more interested in the brand. The U.S. public already knows that Toyota is a byword for reliability, but now Toyota wants to remind the people that the Supra is the highlight in its sports-car lineup.

Reviving the nameplate for a BMW Z4-twinned vehicle may be a marketing move from the Japanese automaker, but on the other hand, Toyota made it clear time and again that the Supra will be more driving-centric than the Z4. Bearing in mind the 2019 season starts in February at Daytona, the Supra is all but confirmed to go on sale for the 2019 model year.

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/...-nascars-xfinity-series-next-year-125966.html

http://www.espn.com/jayski/nxs/2018/story/_/id/23631542/toyota-plans-run-supra-xfinity-2019

 

[supra93]

Anyone speak Japanese?

Chief engineer Tetsuya Tada Talks about the new Supra! May 25 at 21 o'clock


https://www.supramkv.com/threads/interviews-with-chief-engineer-tetsuya-tada.787/page-24