How’s it moot? They are incapable or maybe unwilling to engineer and develop a decent performance engine in house.
It doesn’t matter what they spec, it’s still being engineered and designed by someone else. If they engineered it themselves, why would they even need BMW and instead go straight to Steyr (or whomever) and have them build it directly?
Even if the “designed to 700 HP baloney” is true (not), Toyota likely did nothing more than express that in their “spec.” Besides, no car manufacturer today will warranty any car that is willfully modified so you can probably forget that BS.
I would bet A LOT that it’s the exact same engine in the Z4 and that engine is nothing more than a slightly updated B58 if not an off-the-shelf B58. Mark it, write it down, take a picture, do whatever with this post so you won’t be disappointed...
Which means the Supra will have a BMW engine—which everyone here is ragging on—because Toyota can’t build one themselves.
Jesus Christ. I can't believe I am forced to repeat myself. Fine. I am going to make a list, but understand it and swallow the information. It is all true. There are people on the SupraMKV forum that are telling us information as we go. Obviously they cannot tell us anything monumental because of the Non-Disclosure Agreement that they signed. Get it?
1. Toyota designed everything about the engine. You name it, they did it. Except, it just starts from an inline-six block where BMW commonly manufactures, Toyota doesn't.
2. Are you seriously suggesting Toyota are a bunch of liars? Sweet mother of god. That's probably the biggest lie ever. They are conservative as hell. You want liars? See the following company; Volkswagen.
3. You do realize that the MKIV Supra was famous because of the capabilities of the 2JZ engine (obviously). The reason was that they made a bullet proof engine from the get-go, making nearly the same amount of power that they advertised that they developed it with similar to today (700 horsepower), then was heavily detuned. It was a racing capable specification engine, and that's what they're intending to do now. Now the new car is going to be an all on out balls to the wall sports car. It will also be miles easier to convert it to racing spec, as was explained in regards to the GT500 Super GT car and the WEC car (Nascar too but that's a different story, only aerodynamics would have a play in this, nothing else mechanical).
4. Toyota is dedicated to adding much more sportier modifications from the factory so, if they want to, buyers can add significant upgrades to aid with further enhancement of performance, though it's just factory upgrades, nothing too crazy, but still good. Still though, it will have the warranty because it is from the manufacturer, and it can be the car that people wanted in terms of tuning, but still wanting to have a stock factory car at the same time (some people like to keep their cars stock, to help it with the value of the car in the future, so this makes a lot of sense).
5. They put the B58 engine in there for testing purposes, especially the chassis. The insiders mentioned a couple of times that we will be getting a brand new, sexy inline-six engine, with a crisp dual-clutch transmission out of the gate. Manual to come later unfortunately. I'll be honest, I think the transmission may be provided by BMW, not 100% sure on this part, could be from someone else too. Still though, it will have to go through the stringent tests that Toyota does, to see if it can stand the test of abuse, mileage, and time. Anyways, I am definitely expecting a brand new engine for the Supra, and to have a more powerful (give or take 450 horsepower unit) version. They also did this because some forum posters suggested that they may also follow the old Supra formula, and that is to have a naturally aspirated engine alongside it. Though we aren't sure about this. All in all, it is much more impressive than you think. I don't understand your pessimism. You're describing this car as if it is going to be dead on arrival. To that I say, hell no.
6. Toyota can build anything they want. They always made calculated moves (whether it was boring or not at times), but you do realize they can blow money at anything full stop, and it still won't even make a dent in their coffers. They're more powerful than you think.
