REVEALED! 8th Generation Lexus ES Megathread (ES 350h, ES 350e, ES 500e)
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I think in one of the interviews, they point out how they want it to have reserved acceleration.
Ie RZ is much faster 0-60 with similar powertrains, they wanted to make this slower response due to older age of its occupants.
it happens, TMC usually engineers for crash standards, which means when new ones are introduced, they might be behind.
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Or….hear me out. You can have both, with well-tuned drive modes that provide either restrained or thrilling driving experiences. Im not versed with hardware and software but I’d imagine that with EVs it has never been easier to achieve this.
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A very lame excuse… it’s like they’re using "reliability" as an excuse to just keep reusing old parts forever instead of actually inventing new powertrains and chassis.
I agree with you, but since this is similar powertrain or same as RZ, they literally are concerned about instant reaponse.
That's what legacy for me, this concern that you have to pay a lot more to get more, ie how VW tunes their exactly the same platform for different performance between Skoda, Seat, VW, Audi and Porsche and we have to pretend that Porsche is faster to charge or go while using exactly the same hardware.
Where Tesla, Byd, Geely or whoever simply does not have to care about that.
They just build what they can build for that cost, no 100 years of politics involved.
If they are just trying to appeal to older customers, maybe don't pretend it's a sports sedan?
Lexus wants to charge the "sportiness" premium without actually making a sporty product. We are too familiar with that strategy, and we are tired of it.
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Toyoda Shuts Down EV Sports Cars, Prefers Smells And Sounds Of Gas Anyway | Carscoops
Toyota GR prioritizes gasoline-powered performance as the brand's 'Master Driver' resists electric sports cars, at least for now
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They saves all the good stuff for GR, and dumps all the unwanted leftovers on Lexus. What a brilliant strategy!
What new models can Lexus enthusiasts look forward to?
Absolutely nothing.
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I'm a sucker for torque vectoring differential but the RCF with TVD wasn't on my radar because I can't have two-seaters. Please Lexus, at least come up with a few mid-tiered vehicles that come with this. I bet even with less than stellar suspension tuning, theses cars will drive better.
Not everyone who wants a more advanced differential want to race or track (90% vehicle, 10% talent) anyway.
They literally said in the interview that they did not want to make it a sports sedan.
In fact, there will be no F Sport version of this.
Then they shouldn't mention it has performance "on par with sports sedans" because it's not. Saying these kinds of things in interviews just show how clueless they are about the market. It's even more humiliating that a product actually sold as "F-Sport Performance" is slower than this ES "absolutely not sport sedan".
They are selling an "old people car" and they should be honest about it.
Even the 2nd gen IS350 from over 20 years ago is 0.1 second quicker from 0-100 kph than the ES500e. The only sports/sporty sedans that the ES500e are somewhat on par with are the Subaru WRX and the most basic models of the 3 german executive sedans. Lexus sure is aiming low lol, needing a top end variant to fight other brands' base models.
F-Sport Performance moniker is US marketing thing applicable to the most US centric Lexus models and it has trickled down only to few markets outside of US. That's what makes it confusing. RX500h F Sport Performance is sold just as RX500h F Sport in majority of the markets. Upcoming RZ550e F Sport will be the quickest Lexus model in the lineup this year but it will not carry F Sport Performance badge because RZ is not a product made for US market in mind. Maybe Lexus USA decides to brand it as F Sport Performance when it gets to US but that's just a wild guess on my part.
Anyway its a safe bet that ES will come in F Sport trim sometime down the line. ES550e F Sport is pretty much guaranteed.
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Don't even care about the acceleration or road holding numbers. Just make them drive up to 85% of German makes with a third of the upkeep and hopefully starting 10-15% less since the Yen has depreciated even while it's slowly inching up.
The more you look at the "Chinese rebadges" the more you see how lazy the ES interior design is.
Mazda EZ-60 (rebadge of Deepal S07) uses a bezel-less dual screen design, which is not available on the S07.
It also has zero-gravity seats with built-in speakers.
BTW the Chinese-market Camry already has the upgraded interior features found on the ES: "responsive hidden switches" and "sensory concierge" (i.e. mood lights and fragrance dispenser). The Camry also has AR-HUD and gesture controls.
Mazda EZ-60 (rebadge of Deepal S07) uses a bezel-less dual screen design, which is not available on the S07.
It also has zero-gravity seats with built-in speakers.
BTW the Chinese-market Camry already has the upgraded interior features found on the ES: "responsive hidden switches" and "sensory concierge" (i.e. mood lights and fragrance dispenser). The Camry also has AR-HUD and gesture controls.
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2026 Lexus ES Sedan First Look: From Bread and Butter to Whoa, a Stunner
The ES was already subtly slinky for a mainstream luxury sedan—now it's unabashedly bold, and available as an EV.
“2026 Lexus ES Sedan First Look: From Bread and Butter to Whoa, a Stunner”
This headline had me cracking up, I’m pretty sure they’re being sarcastic🤣
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2026 Lexus ES Sedan First Look: From Bread and Butter to Whoa, a Stunner
The ES was already subtly slinky for a mainstream luxury sedan—now it's unabashedly bold, and available as an EV.www.motortrend.com
“2026 Lexus ES Sedan First Look: From Bread and Butter to Whoa, a Stunner”
This headline had me cracking up, I’m pretty sure they’re being sarcastic🤣
Theyre not being sarcastic. These people are tasteless sub-humans.