REVEALED! 8th Generation Lexus ES Megathread (ES 350h, ES 350e, ES 500e)
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"The ES500e dual-motor acceleration of 5.9 seconds is already on par with sports sedans." BMW i5 M60: Am I a joke to u? 2012 GS350: ??
LMAO I'm dying... Are these execs living in their own little bubble? Are they even checking out online forums to see what people really think? Or are they just talking to soccer moms, feeling good about themselves and being all smug about their work? I honestly thought when Sato became CEO, things would change for the better, but looks like I’ve been played again.
LMAO I'm dying... Are these execs living in their own little bubble? Are they even checking out online forums to see what people really think? Or are they just talking to soccer moms, feeling good about themselves and being all smug about their work? I honestly thought when Sato became CEO, things would change for the better, but looks like I’ve been played again.
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Lexus has no idea what "500" should actually be.
472hp (IS 500, LC 500, RC F)
416hp (LS 500)
366hp (RX 500h FSP)
354hp (LS 500h)
348hp (ES 500e)
Some sort of standard is needed.
IMO:
LS 500 should be LS 450
RX 500h should be RX 400h
LS 500h should be LS 400h
ES 500e should be ES 400e
Lexus keeps stacking numbers into the names like they assume no gains from technology and innovation since 1998. IMO LX "700h" is ridiculous to not even be cracking 500hp. LX should be LX 500 and LX 550h, GX 550 should be GX 450 and GX 550h should be GX 400h.
472hp (IS 500, LC 500, RC F)
416hp (LS 500)
366hp (RX 500h FSP)
354hp (LS 500h)
348hp (ES 500e)
Some sort of standard is needed.
IMO:
LS 500 should be LS 450
RX 500h should be RX 400h
LS 500h should be LS 400h
ES 500e should be ES 400e
Lexus keeps stacking numbers into the names like they assume no gains from technology and innovation since 1998. IMO LX "700h" is ridiculous to not even be cracking 500hp. LX should be LX 500 and LX 550h, GX 550 should be GX 450 and GX 550h should be GX 400h.
We can forget for a second about how the new ES will compete with Chinese EVs. Here's how it compares with the European EVs in the Chinese market (tldr: it's not looking good).
The OTD prices on the European models are already taking a huge hit ranging from ¥100-220k in incentives to move them. The EQE's situation is especially bad due to poor exterior design and high inventory (some dealers are still selling stocks of MY2023). My guess is the ES will be limited into the ¥300-400k range in the most optimistic case and maybe ¥200-300k in the worst case. It will be the most costly model for them world wide. The more they sell the more they have to subsidize it.
The OTD prices on the European models are already taking a huge hit ranging from ¥100-220k in incentives to move them. The EQE's situation is especially bad due to poor exterior design and high inventory (some dealers are still selling stocks of MY2023). My guess is the ES will be limited into the ¥300-400k range in the most optimistic case and maybe ¥200-300k in the worst case. It will be the most costly model for them world wide. The more they sell the more they have to subsidize it.
| Model | CLTC range (km) | Power (kW/PS) | 0-100km/h (s) | 10-80% (min) | OTD Price (¥) |
| Lexus ES350e FWD | 685 | 165/224 | 8.9 | 30 | - |
| Lexus ES500e AWD | 610 | 252/343 | 5.9 | 30 | - |
| BMW i5 eDrive35L RWD | 618 | 200/272 | 6.7 | 33 | 339900 |
| BMW i5 eDrive40L RWD | 713 | 240/326 | 6.7 | 33 | 385900 |
| BMW i5 eDrive50L AWD | 651 | 385/524 | 4.2 | 33 | 439900 |
| BMW i5 M60 AWD | 600 | 442/601 | 3.8 | 30 | 559900 |
| Audi A6L e-tron RWD | 750 | 270/367 | 5.7 | 21 | - |
| Audi A6L e-tron AWD | 700 | 370/503 | 4.5 | 21 | - |
| Benz EQE 350 RWD | 752 | 215/292 | 6.7 | 48 | 258000 |
| Benz EQE 500 AWD | 681 | 300/408 | 4.9 | 37 | 288000 |
| Benz EQE 53 AMG | 568 | 460/626 | 3.8 | 48 | 762000 |
| Volvo ES90 RWD | 740 | 245/333 | 5.5 | 20 | - |
| Volvo ES90 AWD | 660 | 500/680 | 4.0 | 20 | - |
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It's sad that if all you care about is performance from Lexus the last new product that answered that call was the RCF GT. the only thing worth upgrading to newer Lexus for is maybe the tech upgrade. For someone like me that is not crazy about the tech I'm yet to see a new Lexus that's for me.
Meanwhile Toyota release the corolla and upgraded the transmission with the update within 3 years. Just a transmission update on most Lexus car would make a big difference.
Meanwhile Toyota release the corolla and upgraded the transmission with the update within 3 years. Just a transmission update on most Lexus car would make a big difference.
The industrial standard before everyone starts arbitrarily assigning numbers to their products is assuming 60kW/L, and for a very long time Lexus numbering were actually consistent with that number. Divide power in kW by 60, round down to nearest 50 get ICEV rating, round up for HEV/PHEV/BEV rating.
So LS500 stays 500 (310kW/60=5.17).
LS500h becomes 450h (264/60=4.4).
LC500 becomes 550 (353/60=5.88).
RX500h stays 500h (273/60=4.55).
ES500e becomes 450e (252/60=4.2).
RZ500e stays 500e (280/60=4.67).
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The majority of positive comments I see are from tesla owners and fans. Probably the first time they looked at a Lexus.
Tesla and Elon has absolutely ruined and destroyed the car industry. From design to cult status to crap quality to 3 colors to some basic ass refrigerator transportation methodology. It is ruining cars. .
Tesla and Elon has absolutely ruined and destroyed the car industry. From design to cult status to crap quality to 3 colors to some basic ass refrigerator transportation methodology. It is ruining cars. .
Amen to that my brother! It's a cancer running through the veins of industry. I have to stress it once more, they made the crowd accept a car that has flawed automotive basics and charge premium for it. Then they falsely named their driving assistance package Autopilot and allowed people to drive the car without hands on a steering wheel for guerilla marketing purposes. They've put so many people in danger for allowing such thing. Lack of interior is whole another topic. Nissan Sentra has more functional and inviting interior and I am not kidding or being sarcastic. Those were the sole reasons to boycott Tesla but I guess people needed Elon to go from blue to lucid red in order to kick Teslas to dumpster. Whatever I'll take it...
There are so many "legacy" manufacturer BEVs out there for you to choose from and most of them are better than any Tesla out there. Even RZ450e pisses all over Model Y in European cities in every aspect except highway range and insane acceleration of Performance trim but you would never know until you drive them back-to-back. Now imagine how BMW i5 or i7 drives in comparison to Model S, basically no comparison.
Edit: Not to sound so ruthless there is some champion engineering stuff going on in Tesla. They've really solved some problems for efficiency purposes and presented some really clever parts. No denying that. But in their case their whole cars are definitely not greater than sum of it parts. That would be like Bosch, Denso or Magna trying to build cars.
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IMO, some Japanese car manufacturers seem to have regressed to a point that they don't seem to care about their cars' performance at all, for example Lexus, Subaru, Daihatsu and Suzuki. I feel like their mentality these days is as long as it's fast enough for Japan's tiny roads, it's all good, don't need to care about what the current day performance standards are like, being totally ok that their new car is slower than their old car and not bothering to spend the time and the money to improve both the performance and efficiency of their cars at the same time.
Last night I've realized that the only hybrid option for the EU will be the 300h. 201 hp for a 1800kg sedan. It's less than the current generation's 218 hp. What the actual **** they are smoking at Lexus HQ. It's sibling, the 2025 Camry has more power......
I'm sure it'll feel wonderful for future ES owners that their "flagship" is being smoked by a peasent Camry.
Shame because I actually like the design and I was trying to be positive about it (even the interior), but **** that. This, -priced in the class of A6, 5-series and E-class- is certainly DOA in Europe. It's like they're not even trying.
I'm sure it'll feel wonderful for future ES owners that their "flagship" is being smoked by a peasent Camry.
Shame because I actually like the design and I was trying to be positive about it (even the interior), but **** that. This, -priced in the class of A6, 5-series and E-class- is certainly DOA in Europe. It's like they're not even trying.
The 2.5L 300h is to comply with EU7 emissions. It will be replaced by the 1.5T which will restore the output to 250PS.
It's not the first time Lexus had to severely detune their powertrain to meet emissions. The last-gen Chinese market LM300h (which costs USD 275k BTW) was detuned to 160PS COMBINED power to pass China 6 emissions.
Comparing the ES to the greatest Japanese (and Asian by extent) athlete in history is such a tasteless comment. Only the R32 GT-R, or gen1 NSX, or LFA deserve to be compared with Shohei Ohtani.
Several takeaways from this press event that haven't been covered elsewhere:
1) Akio Toyoda's vision for the Lexus brand is "to become the ultimate choice for customers after they have seen a thousand ships sail by" (阅尽千帆之后的最终选择). This is something even more vague than "Experience Amazing". But Li Hui, Toyota China's new boss (the person on stage during this event), elaborated this in an earlier interview:
"President Akio Toyoda said something very inspiring for the present and the future: I hope Lexus becomes the ultimate choice for customers after they have experienced everything. People (the rest of the industry) will experiment with all kinds of new technology and experiences, but will ultimately return to the essence. This is something we need to have a grasp on".
To me this just sounds like an excuse for being behind on tech and features. "Return to the essence" is impossible to define. At least to me the current state of Lexus brand doesn't seem to be "returning to the essence" at all.
2) The best-looking interior combination (green with bamboo trim) will be Chinese market exclusive.
3) They have some very tone-deaf expressions during the event which shows they didn't do their homework when it comes to localization. One example is "the bamboo interior will bring you to the suburbs of Kyoto" which sounds like cultural appropriation to the Chinese audience. Another is the use of the word "社長" (Shachou) for president Koji Sato instead of the correct Chinese word "总裁".
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Tell me it's not the 3-cylinder 1.5 turbo. If so, then it's even more fucked than it was before. What's the source on this?
Edit: Also, then why not just wait until they can actually release a competitive product? Are they going to wait until a facelift with the update to the new engine? Or they'll just do it as a simple yearly update? That would certainly piss of all the five people who bought it with the 300h powertrain.
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A sampling of comments I saw on a singleFB post about the new ES ... my favourite comment is about how the steering wheel of the new ES looks like it was taken from a Ford Econoline van.
Just hope Lexus is listening to the initial feedback.
My quick PS......I dunno but something still looks off.......it just doesn't look very "Lexus"
It's not even the spelled out "Lexus" that's the issue. It's probaly how the middle of the steering wheel is made out of a single piece of plastic instead of the detailed, elegant solution they used in the LS and the current ES.
Are we going to conveniently forget that the TX and Grand Highlander got an Acceptable instead of a Good rating for IIHS' small overlap front crash test, which IMO is a big red flag for a car that debut in 2023, while the CX-90 got Top Safety Pick+. It's not just about how they drive.
Funny how the current Camry has no problem performing well in the latest IIHS crash test format, despite looking like it's just a facelift of the previous gen Camry on the surface. Even the rear passenger safety of the NX and RX aren't as good as the Camry lol.
Along with the L E X U S logo, I "tweaked" the display to make it look more stretched out with BMW's idrive 8 (two major complaints ppl had with this interior).
Does it look more pleasing XDD?
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I think the screen looks much better this way. The only thing I would change is to raise it bit so it would be closer to the driver's line of sight, but a screen of this aspect ratio definitely fits better and improves the overall look of the interior. It feels less "tacked-on".
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I’m not up to date on all crash ratings. Again I am a big fan of the CX-90/CX-70.