Toyota Yaris Master Thread (Sedan & Hatch Discontinued for USA)

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  • Toyota’s trend-setting Yaris hits global sales milestone in 25th year of production
  • Yaris joins Corolla, Camry, RAV4, Hilux and Land Cruiser in excess of 10 million global sales
  • Four generations of Yaris set new safety and technology standards for B-segment cars
  • The 10 millionth car, a Yaris GR SPORT, was produced at Toyota’s plant in France, home to Yaris production in Europe since 2001 and with an impressive environmental track record
 

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Once again Europe getting all the newer hybrid powertrains
 

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Once again Europe getting all the newer hybrid powertrains

it is due to price... this Yaris will probably be easy >$30k now.
 

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First real minor change for the GR Yaris, 300 hp, the option of an 8 speed AT plus apparently some upgrades to the chassis, suspension and brakes.
 

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First real minor change for the GR Yaris, 300 hp, the option of an 8 speed AT plus apparently some upgrades to the chassis, suspension and brakes.
Good to see the Yaris get the bump. I hope they are developing some sort of hybrid max style drivetrain for the GR Corolla. G16 + ~50hp electric motor + 150hp e-axle. I think we could see a net 400hp pretty easily with the right battery. My GR Corolla is one of the best cars I've ever driven; it is truly a masterpiece. But, the writing is on the wall that HV and PHEV are going to need to be involved in the next generation somehow.
 

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Only downside to hybrids as of now is weight. To make the GRC/GRY hybrid it'll take away the lightweight aspect. Hopefully as tech gets better we see battery tech become more lightweight.
 

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Only downside to hybrids as of now is weight. To make the GRC/GRY hybrid it'll take away the lightweight aspect. Hopefully as tech gets better we see battery tech become more lightweight.
The weight increase from the T24 + mechanical AWD to the T24 + 1MG + 6AT + eAxle + battery is around 350lbs in like-for-like trims of the Grand Highlander. The parallel hybrids tend to gain less weight because they replace the multigear hydraulic transaxle with a 2 motor transaxle, drop the transfer case, and replace the prop shaft and rear drive with a low output rear motor. The bump from a Rav4 hybrid over a Rav4 is only 160lbs.

I would expect that a performance hybrid as small as the Corolla would almost necessitate a light weight, LiIon battery versus the heavier, larger, lower cost NiMH that they use elsewhere. For a performance hybrid, I think you would want the drivetrain style from the hybrid Max. If the weight goes up to 3475lbs but power jumps to 400hp, I don't think many would complain about the weight gain.
 

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Unless it is like the 4 cylinder C63 AMG, where it weighs +2000 kg, more than TTV8 and is still not faster and not more fuel efficient.
The C63 picked up 700lbs by adding AWD, 2 speed gearbox, electric motor, and a 6kWh battery. There's no reason to think the Yaris or Corolla would gain that much with a much smaller battery (~1.5kWh, I expect).

The C63 being able to go 8 miles on electric only probably makes it significantly more fuel efficient depending if you can charge at work. It is rated in the mid 30s (which I don't know if that includes the PHEV element) versus the old model that was in the mid-low 20s.
 

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The simplest way to do it is P2 and keep the GR-Four AWD system. Add RX500h's 64kW 1ZM motor and a scaled down 230.4V 250A bipolar NiMH battery (the NiMH actually has higher power density than their best Li-ion). That's about 57kW of extra power and 1.15kWh capacity for 100-150kg of extra weight. The only problem would then be where to find the space to package all the hybrid components.