Gor134

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I am with you. I realize it's a concept and we need to wait to see what the production car looks like, but the IS has been one of Lexus' best looking vehicles in every generation, and one of the most attractive vehicles in its class as well.

If Lexus scraps the IS legacy for some sort of weird electric "part coupe, part CUV" blob with no personality, that'll be... um... not great.
I'm still praying for that concept sedan to make it to production from 2021... but I now understand that was just a showcase for CALTY's design skills, not representative of any future product unfortunately.
 

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Facts, TMC def could use some more push with again engaging Lexus i agree, i wish i was excited about GR stuff but folks like myself didnt leave M cars for Toyota branded GR compact sports cars. I do hope to your point TMCs breathes more racing life into F as they did when Yaguchi san was active. Lets see indeed.
Even M-Lite / M Performance with the B58/8-speed ZF is hard to beat from a value perspective, let alone from your experience, actual M cars.
 

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Even M-Lite / M Performance with the B58/8-speed ZF is hard to beat from a value perspective, let alone from your experience, actual M cars.
And what's funny is that BMW didn't even have much success in premier level motorsports, and the M cars aren't track machines as advertised either. They have never built a super car since 1981. They haven't produced a single car capable of breaking the 7 minute barrier at Nurburgring. Yet people talk about M cars as parallels to Porsche and AMG.
 
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And what's funny is that BMW didn't even have much success in premier level motorsports, and the M cars aren't track machines as advertised either. BMW has not produced a single car capable of breaking the 7 minute barrier at Nurburgring yet people talk about M cars as parallels to Porsche and AMG.
For the sake of the culture, I have to ask. Do you view the M3 GTS, M4 CSR , M4 GTS not as track machines as advertised?

How can they be more track machine-worthy as compared to a 911 GT3 if i may ask you to elaborate on please?

What defines the gap they're missing on those models that make them not track machines as compared to a 911 GT3 as a baseline respective to their years if I may ask?

M4 CSL with a 7:18,137 Min at the Nurburgring, you would say is not comparable at all to a slightly faster Porsche 911 GT3 6:55.737 on that same track?

I totally agree its not sub 7 but to say there are ZERO performance parallels to a comparable Porsche and AMG...... brother/sister......i respect the your high standard here but wholy moly.
 
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