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M8 is just a disappointing product to begin with. No one buys that this German Mustang-roofline car is anything but a 6er successor, not a proper special flagship, hence it's lower than expected sales from BMW.
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Yup... The concept was gorgeous but man, the production model was such a disappointment.. from the melting, undefined bodylines to the mustang-fastback roofline.

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M6 Coupe is such a better design to me.. beautiful expressive bodylines that are also defined. And a proper BMW coupe roofline/hofmeister kink.

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If you look at the target demographic of the most expensive M cars you will see why the M8 struggles. They are mostly near retirement age so getting in and out of such a cramped GT car is hard for them. The M5 is much easier to live with.
 
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I agree I never met an M8CP owner who didnt love the car. Honestly, it's a beast of a car performance wise it's a work of art considering its weight and size. Its GC AWD performance rivals GTR-level launches. Im not mad that the M8 Coupe sold bad because the darn Grand Coupe is just as fast with kids in the back lol. It's a work study of engineering in my view when you look at the carbon core etc. BMW has mastered high weight + balance and the right amount of power when it comes to new M cars like the M8 so it is what it is with that side of the pond. I really cant hate on them it's just a different take on engineering.

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I honestly think it was priced right if you can have a LC500 as a rough example at 104k then look at the level of performance for a 8 series at 90k ( faster than a 4 series considerably ) or lets say M8CP at 130-150k and its giving super car performance dusting a M4CP Just saying it makes sense price wise.A M4CP when I was pricing it was at 104k the CSL at 140K the M8CP 130k-150k I think thats in line my .2cents considering what you get for the coin with 2 baby seat options lol.

On the M6 love its lines my brother still has a 700hp M6GC with 9k miles on heavily modified and even today it's just insane how a car like that can be a high 10 sec car and a track beast with little done to it but again but he paid 117k when it came out in 2016. Those folks at Dinan are no joke indeed.

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That being said in Lexus F news anyone got any new info on the next M4 segment drive train for the Lexus taking on after the RCF? Japanese magazines have released this. Which in a Full F model would certainly be interesting. 1695175513033.png
 
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If you look at the target demographic of the most expensive M cars you will see why the M8 struggles. They are mostly near retirement age so getting in and out of such a cramped GT car is hard for them. The M5 is much easier to live with.
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The M5CS at 140-150k is quite a compelling alternative indeed for an arguably flawless sports sedan indeed.
 
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LEXUS、お客様に新しい価値のご提供を目指す、多様化と電動化のクルマづくりの方向性を発表 | レクサス | グローバルニュースルーム | トヨタ自動車株式会社 公式企業サイト

LEXUSは9月15日（金）と16日（土）、報道関係者向けイベント「LEXUS SHOWCASE（レクサスショーケース）」を開催し、LEXUSブランドの多様化と電動化に関する発信を行いました。Lexus International Presidentの渡辺 剛が、多様化するお客様や地域のニーズに寄り添う新しいモデルラインアップと、カーボンニュートラル社会の実現を目指し、バッテリーEV開発と普及に挑戦するレクサスのクルマづくりや取り組みの方向性を語りました。
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  • Aiming to coexist with nature, we begin a trial program for customers of the ROV Concept equipped with a hydrogen engine.
Additionally, we will begin an experience program for customers in preparation for the future practical application of the ROV Concept (hereinafter referred to as ROV). In the development of the ROV, we aim to provide a driving experience not found in passenger cars and a sense of contact with the majestic nature through the compact body size and ability to travel on rough roads unique to ROVs.In addition, by installing a hydrogen engine, we aim to provide environmental protection. We aim to balance consideration with driving enjoyment that allows you to feel the realistic heartbeat of the engine. For vehicle parts, we use technology that has a low environmental impact, with the cooperation of related companies who share the same idea. LEXUS will continue to provide a variety of experiences and the joy of cars that add color to your outdoor lifestyle, based on our desire to "understand nature and provide outdoor experiences that can be enjoyed together."We will continue to listen to customer feedback through experience programs. We will reflect this in technological development for future practical application.
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LEXUS、お客様に新しい価値のご提供を目指す、多様化と電動化のクルマづくりの方向性を発表 | レクサス | グローバルニュースルーム | トヨタ自動車株式会社 公式企業サイト

LEXUSは9月15日（金）と16日（土）、報道関係者向けイベント「LEXUS SHOWCASE（レクサスショーケース）」を開催し、LEXUSブランドの多様化と電動化に関する発信を行いました。Lexus International Presidentの渡辺 剛が、多様化するお客様や地域のニーズに寄り添う新しいモデルラインアップと、カーボンニュートラル社会の実現を目指し、バッテリーEV開発と普及に挑戦するレクサスのクルマづくりや取り組みの方向性を語りました。
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Don’t want to be that guy, but it can also be just to keep the trademark…

Just like the Supra moniker, that TMC keep trademarked to avoid loosing the iconic nameplate.
 
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So they longitudinally mounted th 2jz in the gr corolla which os based on an ff platform tnga c wonder if they can do that with the k platform as wrll
 
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Minivan coupe baby. A sexier LM.

The sheer audacity for someone to pitch a coupe minivan ala the X6 for SUVs.
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Not unheard of, Ford did it with the S-Max which was a "coupe" minivan of the Galaxy minivan in Europe!
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I was going to call it a hatchback, amd thinking that "minivan" must be a less discouraging term than "hatchback".
 
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I think the days of THS supremacy is nearing its end. Comparison between NX350h and Nissan Serena E-Power:

NX350h, 1810kg, 140kW 2.5L engine, 134kW motor, 20.9km/L WLTC

Nissan Serena E-Power, 1810kg 72kW 1.4L engine, 120kW motor, 21.6km/L WLTC

The E-Power system is able to keep up with THS-II with much less ICE and motor power in mid-acceleration tests, although in a drag race it would lose easily. It is 17% more efficient in city but 10% less efficient on highways.

THS still has better scalability for higher output levels, but I think for the 100-200kW class E-Power is now on-par with THS.

A less relevant comparison with Honda's e:HEV. But here it's a ZR-V that weighs much less (1580kg). It has a 104kW 2.0L engine and 135kW motor, rated at 22.1km/L WLTC.

The NX350h is only quicker at high speeds (above 120km/h) thanks to its much larger ICE, but below that THS-II was barely able to get better performance than competing systems using less powerful (and thus cheaper) components. I think with competent tuning Honda could get a lot more out of e:HEV.
 
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