MKV Toyota Supra Master Thread

[Motor]

TOYOTA GAZOO Racing Outlines Supra Enhancements | Toyota | Global Newsroom | Toyota Motor Corporation Official Global Website

TOYOTA GAZOO Racing (TGR) is getting ready to roll out an enhanced Toyota Supra with upgraded driving performance and a manual transmission option for the RZ trim level, among other improvements as described below. Plans are in place for starting to welcome customer inquiries this coming summer...

global.toyota

Toyota GR Supra Adds Manual Transmission and Enhanced Drive Dynamics for 2023 - Toyota USA Newsroom

PLANO, Texas (April 27, 2022) – From the moment of its launch in 2019, the GR Supra captured the spirit of TOYOTA GAZOO Racing – one that’s all about the joy of driving. For 2023, it adds one more dynamic element: a six-speed intelligent Manual Transmission (iMT). For drivers who love the...

pressroom.toyota.com

 

[F1 Silver Arrows]

TOYOTA GAZOO Racing Outlines Supra Enhancements | Toyota | Global Newsroom | Toyota Motor Corporation Official Global Website

TOYOTA GAZOO Racing (TGR) is getting ready to roll out an enhanced Toyota Supra with upgraded driving performance and a manual transmission option for the RZ trim level, among other improvements as described below. Plans are in place for starting to welcome customer inquiries this coming summer...

global.toyota

Toyota GR Supra Adds Manual Transmission and Enhanced Drive Dynamics for 2023 - Toyota USA Newsroom

PLANO, Texas (April 27, 2022) – From the moment of its launch in 2019, the GR Supra captured the spirit of TOYOTA GAZOO Racing – one that’s all about the joy of driving. For 2023, it adds one more dynamic element: a six-speed intelligent Manual Transmission (iMT). For drivers who love the...

pressroom.toyota.com

Yup, there you go.

The long-awaited manual transmission GR Supra is finally here.

 

[ssun30]

Smart. Thanks to the partnership with BMW and how they approach model year changes, Toyota has been able to do something to the Supra every year to keep it relevant and interesting. Incremental change is key!

I hope the incremental update model spreads to their entire lineup. We are now seeing this on their electronics side but hopefully they do it to mechanical side as well. Their old product cycle model was painful and is guaranteed to fail in the age of highly networked and electrified cars. Back in the 90s they had extremely aggressive 2-year facelift/4-year redesign cycle that constantly kept their cars at top competitiveness.

 

[Levi]

I hope the incremental update model spreads to their entire lineup. We are now seeing this on their electronics side but hopefully they do it to mechanical side as well. Their old product cycle model was painful and is guaranteed to fail in the age of highly networked and electrified cars. Back in the 90s they had extremely aggressive 2-year facelift/4-year redesign cycle that constantly kept their cars at top competitiveness.

Where does Tesla fit with their already 10 year old model S and the all new buy still 10 years old looking model Y? Since when do customers accept same old looking product? I thought they got the latest new 1.5K smartphone every year...

 

[NXracer]

Where does Tesla fit with their already 10 year old model S and the all new buy still 10 years old looking model Y? Since when do customers accept same old looking product? I thought they got the latest new 1.5K smartphone every year...

simple software updates whether its a fart noise generator or fsd updates are all folks need to feel special inside. EVs are rolling computers, and as long as your pushing an update the general buying public is impressed.

 

[Levi]

simple software updates whether its a fart noise generator or fsd updates are all folks need to feel special inside. EVs are rolling computers, and as long as your pushing an update the general buying public is impressed.

"Rolling computers" is not something to ne proud of, if they are équivalent to Android phones, that don't trully get updates as is thé case for Apple devices. Then when I think of thé usefullness of many updates.....I better thème not update while dégradé....

 

[NXracer]

"Rolling computers" is not something to ne proud of, if they are équivalent to Android phones, that don't trully get updates as is thé case for Apple devices. Then when I think of thé usefullness of many updates.....I better thème not update while dégradé....

You kind of lost me there with the reference to Android and Apple devices? Do you mean the concept of a vehicle becoming a rolling computer is uncharted territory and/or poised to fail with the addition of planned obsolescence such that of consumer computing devices or something else?

 

[Levi]

You kind of lost me there with the reference to Android and Apple devices? Do you mean the concept of a vehicle becoming a rolling computer is uncharted territory and/or poised to fail with the addition of planned obsolescence such that of consumer computing devices or something else?

To be usable, hardware gets firmware/software updates, that include security, bug and functionality updates. In the consumer smartphone market (pocket computer), most Android devices do not get updates as they should (3-5 years), which makes them obsolete after max 2 years, because without the software the hardware is useless. That is not the case of Apple devices.

I would not want my 50k rolling computer to turn into a brick in 5 years because it does not get updates anymore.

 

[supra93]

First Supra vs Nissan Z side by side direct comparison look

https://www.nissanzclub.com/forum/threads/first-supra-vs-nissan-z-side-by-side-direct-comparison-look.1108/

www.supramkv.com

 

[Sulu]

To be usable, hardware gets firmware/software updates, that include security, bug and functionality updates. In the consumer smartphone market (pocket computer), most Android devices do not get updates as they should (3-5 years), which makes them obsolete after max 2 years, because without the software the hardware is useless. That is not the case of Apple devices.

I would not want my 50k rolling computer to turn into a brick in 5 years because it does not get updates anymore.

I must disagree.

I have a 5-year old Android tablet that no longer receives Android operating system updates (but it still receives updates of the apps installed on it). It is far from being a brick. I still use it for reading ebooks and can surf the internet; it may be a bit slow but it is definitely usable.

And a car is different. There is a lot of software on a car -- not just the software in the infotainment system. Literally every function you can think of is computer and software controlled -- accelerator, brakes, steering, heating-air conditioning, etc., etc., etc., etc... As long as the hardware is still functional (the electronics hardware is subject to wear and tear) and there are no major bugs in the software (software life is infinite), a car will be able to run for years and years, even if the software is not updated.

 

[Gecko]

Is the Supra slated for a refresh anytime soon? Maybe MY 2023, or 2024 since the manual announcement was already made for 2023?

 

[Tragic Bronson]

Is the Supra slated for a refresh anytime soon? Maybe MY 2023, or 2024 since the manual announcement was already made for 2023?

Shouldn't MY23 be a refresh? That would be SOP for a MMC. The manual shown in the press photos sports wheels we haven't seen before...

 

[Gor134]

Yeah doesn't look like it's getting a full "LCI" service just minor updates over the years like this MY2023 getting some updates

 

[F1 Silver Arrows]

I don't think it's getting a "refresh" like we normally think about when it comes to refreshes.

 

[Tragic Bronson]

 

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[supra93]

I think a facelift for the J29 would be for the 2024 model year. Bimmerpost says the Z4 is getting one.

Future BMW model information

Future BMW model information

g29.bimmerpost.com

G29 Z4 - 10/25 (LCI SOP 11/22)

 

[F1 Silver Arrows]

I think a facelift for the J29 would be for the 2024 model year. Bimmerpost says the Z4 is getting one.

Future BMW model information

Future BMW model information

g29.bimmerpost.com

We've heard nothing on the Toyota-end for a refresh. Toyota is also trying to spend less money on doing exterior refreshes and focus more on software/hardware.

 

[F1 Silver Arrows]

I actually continued reading that thread and ynguldyn has admitted that the G2X cars will have another 1-2 years to its production instead of the typical 7 year life-cycle.

I'm not sure what this spells for Toyota though. I do think it will give them a bigger buffer time to develop the A100 and if this reflects on the A90 as well, that means we will have the GR Supra until ~2028-2029 which is huge.

 

[carguy420]

This is the new blue, it looks so good!

In certain markets it's called Dawn Blue, in others called Stratosphere Blue, basically Portimao Blue from BMW.