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Remember, in a rolling start (5-60mph no brake torque/launch control), the IS500 is as fast as the base M3.

2UR to V35 is absolutely a downgrade.
The V8 was the best one out there. Proven, sounds great and exclusive in a class of smaller engines. That V35 has been blowing up on Tundras I would stay away. Very sad to see Lexus go this route. But I can't wait for the 4.0 twin turbo V8 with hybrid set up.

My dream car is a Mazda CX-70 3.3 I6. I hope Lexus (through Toyota's partnership) produces a I6 to use in future GS replacement? Surely the I6 from Mazda is holding up better and is a fantastic engine nvh wise vs the V35 and the 4.6/5.0 and 5.7 V8 that Toyota and Lexus made for years?
 

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The B58 is fine tuned to perfection in the BMW products I would say, smooth, lots of low-end torque, and quiet with a nice sound. I have driven the CX70 and CX90 3.3 Turbo S, and while those are nice I would say they're not quite as smooth as the B58, but could also be the transmission tuning and throttle response.
 
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The B58 is fine tuned to perfection in the BMW products I would say, smooth, lots of low-end torque, and quiet with a nice sound. I have driven the CX70 and CX90 3.3 Turbo S, and while those are nice I would say they're not quite as smooth as the B58, but could also be the transmission tuning and throttle response.
Wow, on a scale of 10 the B58 is 10, 3.3 I6 from Mazda is 8 and Lexus 2.4 turbo is 7.5? I love a good I6. I wish we had a ratings system. I just need your input. And I made these numbers up. I haven't driven any of these. Thanks!
 

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I'm not sure I'd compare the RX500h FSP to the i6s.. totally different feel. It doesn't feel as quick or punchy, but it's still smooth power delivery. Boring powertrain though.
 
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I'm not sure I'd compare the RX500h FSP to the i6s.. totally different feel. It doesn't feel as quick or punchy, but it's still smooth power delivery. Boring powertrain though.
Nice! I'm holding out for CX-70 as my dream car. But it is a bit big so the CX-5 hybrid 2026 is my best bet. RX500h are 85k CAD base but I'm happy with RX350h. I don't care for fast, quick enough in the city and highway but high mpg matters most.
 

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Nice! I'm holding out for CX-70 as my dream car. But it is a bit big so the CX-5 hybrid 2026 is my best bet. RX500h are 85k CAD base but I'm happy with RX350h. I don't care for fast, quick enough in the city and highway but high mpg matters most.
There’s also a PHEV if mpg matters most to you. Curious though, why CX70 over CX90? Same shape, you can remove third row making it essentially a CX70. I was wondering who Mazda was targeting the CX70 to vs the CX90, it wasn’t different enough for me to justify a new model designation.
 
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There’s also a PHEV if mpg matters most to you. Curious though, why CX70 over CX90? Same shape, you can remove third row making it essentially a CX70. I was wondering who Mazda was targeting the CX70 to vs the CX90, it wasn’t different enough for me to justify a new model designation.
The PHEV has been a nightmare for owners. Battery failures, glitchy software etc. I would get the I6 and the PHEVs I trust is Toyota 🙂.
I don't want 3rd row and am living with my wife. We're looking to go places. Dual income, no kids.
The reveal disappointed me too because I was expecting a wide body version of the CX-60. I prefer a premium driving experience and judging by reviews, adaptive dampers and additional sound insulation would make CX-90 and 70 competitive...
 

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The PHEV has been a nightmare for owners. Battery failures, glitchy software etc. I would get the I6 and the PHEVs I trust is Toyota 🙂.
I don't want 3rd row and am living with my wife. We're looking to go places. Dual income, no kids.
The reveal disappointed me too because I was expecting a wide body version of the CX-60. I prefer a premium driving experience and judging by reviews, adaptive dampers and additional sound insulation would make CX-90 and 70 competitive...

All PHEVs have issues of some kind, they are super complex. But the one with the least serious issues is Mitsu Outlander, they are already in it's third generation and they've overcame some problems.
 

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They're identically priced for equivalent trim levels. I believe the CX-70 was initially conceived as a shorter more coupe-style CX-60 inspired crossover, but was quickly abandoned once the pandemic hit in favour of a 2-seater CX-90
 
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They're identically priced for equivalent trim levels. I believe the CX-70 was initially conceived as a shorter more coupe-style CX-60 inspired crossover, but was quickly abandoned once the pandemic hit in favour of a 2-seater CX-90
Serious competition at least for the X5 and RX! Besides the I6, I've looked at Audis and the Q7 is roomy but dated. Near me, it's $100k for the V6 and I can't stomach a base 2.0 engine moving nearly 5,000 Ibs. We'll see if it goes on a diet for next gen...

Lexus hybrids are quiet and smooth (once you get under way) but the I4 engines are anemic. If Toyota was smart, they would consolidate costs by having I4/I6 engine family.
 

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Serious competition at least for the X5 and RX! Besides the I6, I've looked at Audis and the Q7 is roomy but dated. Near me, it's $100k for the V6 and I can't stomach a base 2.0 engine moving nearly 5,000 Ibs. We'll see if it goes on a diet for next gen...

Lexus hybrids are quiet and smooth (once you get under way) but the I4 engines are anemic. If Toyota was smart, they would consolidate costs by having I4/I6 engine family.
This is coming from someone who has driven all the vehicles you’ve mentioned above (except the CX70, but I have driven CX90 which is identical from a driving standpoint.)

In my opinion, Mazda is inching extremely close to luxury territory. I would argue that Mazda 3 offers a more luxurious ride and appearance than an entry level Mercedes. Today’s Mazdas are a poor man’s BMW, a blend of sporty and luxury. Less performance but at a great value. Sufficient power for a spirited drive but not a track monster that some BMWs can be. And with the higher trim CX90s they really started knocking on Lexus’ RX territory and a legitimate argument can be made that from the exterior it looks more stately than Lexus or BMWs polarizing design choices. They do not have their prestige yet but they are working on that and making better progress than I would say Genesis is.

They are not up to Lexus standards in reliability or interior quality in my opinion. But it is hard not to root for the underdog that Mazda is, especially when you see them whip out fantastic vehicles like Miatas, CX50, CX5, CX90 and invest in an inline-6 when bigger manufacturers take less gambles.

I have driven Audi Q5 and Q7 as extended rentals and work vehicles. This may sound like a hot take but I just couldn’t appreciate the interior and ride quality. It felt like a “premium” Volkswagen (which they kind of are) but it felt truly ‘premium,’ not luxurious. Also couldn’t get over how it seemed every convenient feature was nickel and dimed as an option. A lot of features that came standard in our much older CX9 were straight up missing in the Audis. I used to be excited by Audi a decade ago but now what seems to catch my attention are their shortcomings.

It has a way to go until a CX70 will be considered a legitimate competitor to an X5. But for Mazda with humble beginnings to be casually mentioned in the same sentence as BMW’s mighty X5 is something they can be truly proud of. It may take a few iterations but if they continue to refine their I6 they might swing a few budget conscious buyers.

Truly a great company and one enthusiasts can appreciate in a time when enthusiastic vehicles are going the way of dinosaurs.
 
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This is coming from someone who has driven all the vehicles you’ve mentioned above (except the CX70, but I have driven CX90 which is identical from a driving standpoint.)

In my opinion, Mazda is inching extremely close to luxury territory. I would argue that Mazda 3 offers a more luxurious ride and appearance than an entry level Mercedes. Today’s Mazdas are a poor man’s BMW, a blend of sporty and luxury. Less performance but at a great value. Sufficient power for a spirited drive but not a track monster that some BMWs can be. And with the higher trim CX90s they really started knocking on Lexus’ RX territory and a legitimate argument can be made that from the exterior it looks more stately than Lexus or BMWs polarizing design choices. They do not have their prestige yet but they are working on that and making better progress than I would say Genesis is.

They are not up to Lexus standards in reliability or interior quality in my opinion. But it is hard not to root for the underdog that Mazda is, especially when you see them whip out fantastic vehicles like Miatas, CX50, CX5, CX90 and invest in an inline-6 when bigger manufacturers take less gambles.

I have driven Audi Q5 and Q7 as extended rentals and work vehicles. This may sound like a hot take but I just couldn’t appreciate the interior and ride quality. It felt like a “premium” Volkswagen (which they kind of are) but it felt truly ‘premium,’ not luxurious. Also couldn’t get over how it seemed every convenient feature was nickel and dimed as an option. A lot of features that came standard in our much older CX9 were straight up missing in the Audis. I used to be excited by Audi a decade ago but now what seems to catch my attention are their shortcomings.

It has a way to go until a CX70 will be considered a legitimate competitor to an X5. But for Mazda with humble beginnings to be casually mentioned in the same sentence as BMW’s mighty X5 is something they can be truly proud of. It may take a few iterations but if they continue to refine their I6 they might swing a few budget conscious buyers.

Truly a great company and one enthusiasts can appreciate in a time when enthusiastic vehicles are going the way of dinosaurs.
Hey pacman1 - Audis are nice to look at but the numerous ones I've been in (Q4, Q5 and Sportback, SQ7) all had cheap plasticky interiors. Too much hard points, headliner straight out of a Volkswagen, granted I've yet to test drive it.

Mazda is inching towards luxury and here's my take: I own a 2014 Mazda3 and it's good looking but the 2019 + is way better. Ride comfort and quietness probably best in class. I drove Lexus ES300h/350 and /RX350h. They are quieter and such. But the Mazda3 2019 is about 80% there for quiet cabins. The ride quality I prefer Mazda as it floats down the road. New Lexus products are designed with drivers in mind, so think less cushy, stiff and jolty ride for feedback but better body roll and turn in.

Pushing for Mazda to get it right with their dealership experience and marketing. This would mean Lexus guest experience, free loaners during service and HQ providing customer service. I can see Mazda encroaching on Mercedes/Audi territory. Prior to this, I drove a 2012 Mercedes E350 used with 100,000 km. Granted it's worn but it was terrible nvh. I would get a Mazda3 over that E350 and any luxury entry level car.

We're going to see great things come from Mazda :)
 

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The MLBevo Audis haven't been that good interior quality wise. Maybe I'm biased for owning an MLB Audi, but I find the interior quality in mine to be much better than the MLBevos (2016+ new gens).

I have very high hopes for the upcoming PPC models to improve in quality.
 
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The MLBevo Audis haven't been that good interior quality wise. Maybe I'm biased for owning an MLB Audi, but I find the interior quality in mine to be much better than the MLBevos (2016+ new gens).

I have very high hopes for the upcoming PPC models to improve in quality.
It's so frustrating to see my views don't align with automotive journalist or fanboys. Reddit, and YouTubers play the old saying that Audi's are well made. Interior quality and materials is best in class. I beg to differ, it feels the same chintzy plastic out of a cheap 20k car... I'll never trust a journalist and have to go test drive myself these days.... They are owned and dined by automakers so they have to stay positive or lie about the vehicle. Spewing PR bullet points and not their own...
CX90 Signature is extremely well put together. Tight panel gaps and classy wood, leather and suede in the right places. Classy white leather or tan interior. No use of plastic piano black and made in Japan. I think it's a better interior than the SQ7 so 65k vs 131k CAD before tax and fees.
 

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Ehh, I'd definitely say the Q7s ride is nicer than the CX-90, some of the fine-tuning areas of the CX-90 shows when driving, the Q7 does feel like a overall more solid build in terms of how it handles and rides.

Fun fact, when I used to be rent Audis before selling Audis, a Mazda interior quality engineer rented a Q7 from us for benchmark testing.

I do think the Audis have nice materials inside, the A4/Q5 and up don't have that much hard plastic (minus the ugly piano black on the Q7/Q8 dashes) especially compared to cars like the new BMW 5er, which has a ton of hard plastic in the lower areas of the dash and doors. Rather, the Audis are just not as nicely built anymore, they have great quality at launch but generate little rattles, creaks, and issues after awhile. Not as bad as Mercedes though.
 

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Ehh, I'd definitely say the Q7s ride is nicer than the CX-90, some of the fine-tuning areas of the CX-90 shows when driving, the Q7 does feel like a overall more solid build in terms of how it handles and rides.

Fun fact, when I used to be rent Audis before selling Audis, a Mazda interior quality engineer rented a Q7 from us for benchmark testing.

I do think the Audis have nice materials inside, the A4/Q5 and up don't have that much hard plastic (minus the ugly piano black on the Q7/Q8 dashes) especially compared to cars like the new BMW 5er, which has a ton of hard plastic in the lower areas of the dash and doors. Rather, the Audis are just not as nicely built anymore, they have great quality at launch but generate little rattles, creaks, and issues after awhile. Not as bad as Mercedes though.
The Audi Q5 I was driving had a significant amount of hard and soft plastics. I agree that BMW might have even more plastic, plus I never could appreciate how tacky the infotainment panels looked. Overall I think the Mazda designers did a killer job with their interior. Even the Mazda 3, their entry level vehicle is handsomely designed and it gets better from there.

The Q7 rides nicer but it is also a mature powertrain. The I6 on the CX90 is brand new. I don’t expect it to ride the same in 5 years as it’ll be continuously refined. I also suspect that Mazda is targeting a sportier tune than the Q7.