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After the Corolla and Yaris obviously went to premium hatch even in material at the top trims, it's not logic to have a Lexus relatives

The Lexus relatives will be to the Yaris Cross / CHR and only because the materials are not the top notched in comparison to the non lifted brothers

CT is dead for good
Honestly if you see the LF-CT and the current new Corolla, you will realise that it's just the Lexus concept
 

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It's only my impression adding to that the coming recession, which will only increase the mid, high and ultimate price range but not the little

Honestly just see the side profile for both
 

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Can’t disagree, they do share a lot!

But I think a second gen CT makes a lot more sense with a recession... With less cash available people will tend do spend it more wisely, and a cheaper more fuel efficient hatchback would make so much more sense.
It was CT’s main reason to exist, to offer a fuel efficient, practical and well built car for a good price to bring more costumers into Lexus during the not so long ago financial recession.

It’s only my opinion but It was fun half a year ago to expect a LC F, a LF-1, a V8 LS... But with a projected recession coming does it make sense? Maybe, a second CT, a Tesla Model 3 fighter, a new NX/IS would make much more sense given families lower income.
 

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Honestly in all the past recessions you will see that the luxurious items get sold more and that's logic because the most level standard that's some how safe is the highest, and so the luxurious items sold more

The previous 2008-2010 recession isn't different though, as for example, Land Rover's market share actually increased across Europe during the last financial crisis. It grew from 0.4% in 2008 and ended up at 1% by 2012
 

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I'll tell you right now, and this is a sad reality, most "market downturns" are literally just rich people who have hoarded all the capital (i deal with these people, this isn't some strawman) realizing that sitting at home spending their pile of riches is just as good as taking risk and investing in new companies.

I'm seeing teams of hardworking startups get wiped out because old, easy money jagoffs are hiding away in their mansions, and all interest in funding anything is evaporating.

Sorry to vent, just in response to the post by maiaramdan above. They'll start spending more on luxury stuff to signal they're still good. And they're not investing it at scale, so what's an extra car vs that 2% stake in some company you're not up for anyways.
 

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@maiaramdan , about the CT, is it your opinion or has some inside information?

I still have a soft spot for that model.
The CT was developed from the original Toyota Auris (Corolla Hatchback), as I recall, with the same wheelbase and CT being a bit longer.
 

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After the Corolla and Yaris obviously went to premium hatch even in material at the top trims, it's not logic to have a Lexus relatives

The Lexus relatives will be to the Yaris Cross / CHR and only because the materials are not the top notched in comparison to the non lifted brothers

CT is dead for good
Honestly if you see the LF-CT and the current new Corolla, you will realise that it's just the Lexus concept
Corolla is OK, it is not luxurious vehicle tho, just better than Auris.

They would not invest so much in keeping CT, unless they planned new version... so I am sure you will have new CT and another smaller than UX CUV coming to Lexus range. They are making so much money with UX in Europe, they will want to make more.
 
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@spwolf , just take a look at the Yaris GR when it will be released at any near saloon and you will say it's luxurious by yourself,

Corolla is no different with 360hp + and coupe doors as Yaris GR for the Corolla GR it will be in a really different space than a lot of hot hatches including A class AMG , 1 series M , RS3 , Civic R and all

In short Toyota shifted the strategy in the hatches within the small and city cars to be favoured for Toyota than Lexus
 

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@spwolf , just take a look at the Yaris GR when it will be released at any near saloon and you will say it's luxurious by yourself,

Corolla is no different with 360hp + and coupe doors as Yaris GR for the Corolla GR it will be in a really different space than a lot of hot hatches including A class AMG , 1 series M , RS3 , Civic R and all

In short Toyota shifted the strategy in the hatches within the small and city cars to be favoured for Toyota than Lexus
Cool and Luxurious are not the same... so GR Yaris is extra cool, GR Corolla is cool, but they are not luxurious.
I am sure both Yaris and Corolla are itching toward premium, like where Golf is, but it is not really luxurious. Even the top Corolla trim is nice, but not luxury.

And also, shifted strategy from Lexus to Toyota? First, they do not compete between each other, 2nd, you mean shifted from all the focus and attention on CT200H? :).

I could still get Corolla, dont get me wrong.
 
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