krew

Expert
Staff member
Administrator
Messages
3,422
Reaction score
5,384

Autohome in China is reporting that Lexus will release a compact crossover based on the freshly announced Toyota Yaris Cross, giving it the BX nameplate.
Google Translate is imperfect, but it appears this smaller-than-UX crossover could be released in 2023. It’s likely this model would only be offered in China and Europe, as the market for this type of vehicle in North America is minor.

(There is some confusion as to the source of this information — Autohome cites “foreign media sources”, but the only other...
Continue reading...
 
Last edited:

CRSKTN

Follower
Messages
413
Reaction score
720
What's a comparable car to a sub UX crossover, having a hard time imagining how you get much smaller while still being a CUV.
 

Trexus

Admirer
Founding Member
Messages
509
Reaction score
689
What's a comparable car to a sub UX crossover, having a hard time imagining how you get much smaller while still being a CUV.
It would be the only one in it's class...maybe similar to the Scion IQ/Aston Martin Cygnet...
 

Joaquin Ruhi

Expert
Staff member
Moderator
Messages
1,374
Reaction score
2,077
What's a comparable car to a sub UX crossover, having a hard time imagining how you get much smaller while still being a CUV.
It would be the only one in it's class...maybe similar to the Scion IQ/Aston Martin Cygnet...
I don't think it would be as small as a Scion IQ/Aston Martin Cygnet. I'm thinking something the size of a Ford EcoSport, Chevrolet Trax, Buick Encore or Hyundai Venue, but with luxury interior and features. Audi offers a Q2 crossover smaller than anything sold in North America, but I'm not sure how it compares size-wise to Lexus UX.
 

flexus

Admirer
Messages
532
Reaction score
894
I don't think it would be as small as a Scion IQ/Aston Martin Cygnet. I'm thinking something the size of a Ford EcoSport, Chevrolet Trax, Buick Encore or Hyundai Venue, but with luxury interior and features. Audi offers a Q2 crossover smaller than anything sold in North America, but I'm not sure how it compares size-wise to Lexus UX.
It'll be B segment or smaller C segment than UX say 4,3m.
 

internalaudit

Admirer
Messages
571
Reaction score
681
B or smaller C segment with 60 kWh battery sounds like 300+ miles to me. :)

CUV height so that two layers of battery cells could be stacked up lol. Maybe Toyota caught wind of Polestar's strategy/playbook.


What Do You Even Call This Thing?
In photos, the Polestar 2 presents an unusual shape. It's not a crossover, but seems higher-riding and more slab-sided than a sedan. In person, though, it's fairly conventional, with nice presence and poise despite the slightly higher roofline. The big wheels, creased wheel arch liner, and gap between the tire and body all play into the visual trick to make it seem taller. "We call it a fastback," says Missoni. "We think that's a really good sweet spot. It combines a higher seating position so the driver can look over the road better, with a hatchback-like shape so there's a lot of space to load into."
 
Last edited:

ssun30

Expert
Messages
1,568
Reaction score
3,332
B or smaller C segment with 60 kWh battery sounds like 300+ miles to me. :)
That's way too optimistic. BEV weight don't scale down with size very well. A C-segment SUV with 60kWh will weigh about 1500kg. Even with the most efficient powertrain it will likely draw 24kWh/100mi (same as the Prius Prime and Ioniq EV). That leaves you with 250mi EPA range which is still an overestimate.
 

CRSKTN

Follower
Messages
413
Reaction score
720
So like, a CUV based on the Yaris platform, smaller than the UX?

I no longer am able to know what counts as a CUV/SUV.

Could they reuse the tnga-B platform they modified with a tnga-C rear for th GR Yaris? Make it a luxury B class hot hatch with performance e axle or something?
 

Will1991

Admirer
Messages
668
Reaction score
1,223
So like, a CUV based on the Yaris platform, smaller than the UX?

I no longer am able to know what counts as a CUV/SUV.

Could they reuse the tnga-B platform they modified with a tnga-C rear for th GR Yaris? Make it a luxury B class hot hatch with performance e axle or something?
I guess so, something similar to CHR/UX (not saying they have similar quality because I don't think so, it has good quality but they ar far apart).

And this new Toyota B-SUV is being published has having AWD-i, so it already has a electrified rear axle.


@internalaudit well, it looks small but it's not all that small... The other day I was taking a look at Lexus configurator and running some numbers (I really want to get a new car to even consider an SUV...), and for comparison I always use my 1999 Avensis Liftback, this being said:

3763

3764

Considering my Avensis is a D segment sedan:
-UX is 5mm longer;
-UX has a 10mm longer wheelbase;
-UX is 130mm wider.

It does show how much bigger cars are nowadays...
 

ssun30

Expert
Messages
1,568
Reaction score
3,332
That schematic just shows how inefficient TNGA is at packaging. Such a large car for so little interior space...I've been in a UX and it's so impractical that I can't imagine it's almost 4.5m long. In fact the longitudinal RWD BMW X1 has more space. The only products in their lineup that have efficient interior packaging are the ES and RX, so no wonder most of their sales come from these two.

In general TNGA cars so far have consistently less interior space than competitors with similar exterior dimensions.
 

Will1991

Admirer
Messages
668
Reaction score
1,223
@ssun30 , with UX and Corolla 2L Hybrid probably being the worse... Boot space has significantly decreased because of a small traction battery... It's similar to my sisters 2010 Auris, but 10 years of development later for higher priced products...

There is also the Prius Prime, but at least it has a much bigger plug-in battery.
 

spwolf

Expert
Messages
2,577
Reaction score
2,594
That schematic just shows how inefficient TNGA is at packaging. Such a large car for so little interior space...I've been in a UX and it's so impractical that I can't imagine it's almost 4.5m long. In fact the longitudinal RWD BMW X1 has more space. The only products in their lineup that have efficient interior packaging are the ES and RX, so no wonder most of their sales come from these two.

In general TNGA cars so far have consistently less interior space than competitors with similar exterior dimensions.
it depends on what their focus is. For instance, if you put big, comfy front seats with more laid back seat positioning, you will lose "interior packaging" but create a better vehicle. Not everything is in measurments and that is why C-HR sells so well... or NX (trunk is useless there) or UX, or even new Corolla hatch in Europe.
 

Gecko

Connoisseur
Staff member
Administrator
Messages
2,804
Reaction score
5,672
What exactly is a B segment CUV? Does someone have an example? Is that smaller than a C-HR/UX? C-HR is very small inside... hard to imagine something smaller than that.

Toyota's CUV/SUV lineup will be crazy by next year (and very impressive):

B-Segment CUV
C-HR
Corolla Cross
RAV4
Venza
Highlander
4Runner
Land Cruiser
Sequoia
... I would still like to see FT-4X and return of the FJ Cruiser 😬

For Lexus, I would love to see a "mini GX" that is NX-sized but more tough looking/offroad oriented. That would be a crazy hit for Lexus.
 

spwolf

Expert
Messages
2,577
Reaction score
2,594
What exactly is a B segment CUV? Does someone have an example? Is that smaller than a C-HR/UX? C-HR is very small inside... hard to imagine something smaller than that.

Toyota's CUV/SUV lineup will be crazy by next year (and very impressive):

B-Segment CUV
C-HR
Corolla Cross
RAV4
Venza
Highlander
4Runner
Land Cruiser
Sequoia

I would still like to see FT-4X and return of the FJ Cruiser 😬

It is half size smaller than CHR - so Renault Captur, Nissan Juke, etc.

C-HR never focused on interior space, it has big front seats and multilink rear suspension, it is basically class higher vehicle even if size does not show it.

With Yaris CUV, it would be same class as Captur and Juke, and they could optimize the interior space by changing seating position.
 

spwolf

Expert
Messages
2,577
Reaction score
2,594
What exactly is a B segment CUV? Does someone have an example? Is that smaller than a C-HR/UX? C-HR is very small inside... hard to imagine something smaller than that.

Toyota's CUV/SUV lineup will be crazy by next year (and very impressive):

B-Segment CUV
C-HR
Corolla Cross
RAV4
Venza
Highlander
4Runner
Land Cruiser
Sequoia
... I would still like to see FT-4X and return of the FJ Cruiser 😬

For Lexus, I would love to see a "mini GX" that is NX-sized but more tough looking/offroad oriented. That would be a crazy hit for Lexus.
For Lexus, it seems that dealer council president was talking about something additional to LX and not LF-1, maybe GX will go different route? Something to remember is that GX sells good only in the USA.

Unlike LX that sells really good in many countries in the world, and that outsells similar MB models in those countries because it is body on frame with big heritage.
 

spwolf

Expert
Messages
2,577
Reaction score
2,594
Here is more about Captur, sharing platform with new Juke, both all new for 2020:








I think Captur has been the best seller in Europe, probably selling over 200k.
 

Will1991

Admirer
Messages
668
Reaction score
1,223
@spwolf , you talked about pricing on the Toyota B-SUV thread, but this one should be even more interesting... Because this should go from 35~45k€ range, for something so small... Call me skeptical or anti-SUV, but I'm not seeing it selling well...

To remember, LF-SA was introduced for 2015 Geneva:
 

spwolf

Expert
Messages
2,577
Reaction score
2,594
@Will1991 I am sure you think UX pricing is also crazy, but it sells well in Europe... so I guess they targeted it well. They would probably do the same here and position it vs Q1 and similar vehicles... markets to cover with this one would be Europe and Japan mostly, so it would have to make sense.

I am not best person to ask about pricing for Lexus as Lexus was never a good seller here, I am sure there is a reason that in Western Europe and Russia it sells pretty good these days.
 
Top