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Will the ES get AWD like the Camry?
I think so But it will be the hybrid model IMO that gets a E-awd or something.
Will the ES get AWD like the Camry?
SUVs killed it as much as Lexus themselves for not keeping the GS up to speed with the competition. Since the majority of the GS's were on lease, I'd be curious to see what the lease retention data on what early GS lessees got into next after the 3-4 years, and if they went to another Lexus or not. If I was in that situation, would I go from a 2013 to a 2016 model that was almost identical to the one that was turned in?If I would love to see a new GS F? Sure! But I don't see it as a profitable program... I think SUV's killed the GS, no one else...
Probably, and I suspect its debut was planned for the New York Auto Show in its original mid-April timetable. I doubt they'll wait all the way to the late August tentative reschedule of the NY Show, though. (In fact, I'm predicting its outright cancellation until 2021). Thus, expect a simple online or even news release reveal.Will the ES get AWD like the Camry?
I'll add to that this with something I dug up from 2017:SUVs killed it as much as Lexus themselves for not keeping the GS up to speed with the competition. Since the majority of the GS's were on lease, I'd be curious to see what the lease retention data ison what early GS lessees got into next after the 3-4 years, and if they went to another Lexus or not.
Reports also persist among automotive analysts that suggest the line may be discontinued when it comes up for renewal in a couple of years. In March, Lexus was rumored to have suspended development of the new GS that was supposed to appear for 2019, citing a crowded Lexus sedan lineup in a market favoring SUVs. But that's not the case according to the company.
@Joaquin Ruhi , agree maybe with the next generation the ES can be more agile
BUT
Whatever how much agility in FF it won't ever match FR one period
Why kill the GS instead of updating it? Make it competitive with the 5 series and E class, yes the numbers are down, but it isn't a viable segment worldwide? The LS is in a better segment? Lexus let the GS become stale, with weak engines, and mediocre gas mileage. It is as if they want the sedans to die by neglecting them, and then saying they don't sell.... I see quite a few of the GS sedans around the SF Bay Area, I almost never see the current LS.Personally speaking. I think people underestimate Toyota’s decision to cancel the GS. Not including the pandemic, the GS class of car is in a declining segment. Does anyone really believe sales will increase (based on first year of the current gen) if they introduce a new GS? Is the 5 series or E class doing higher sales vs the previous gen? I know it’s sad, but it is the right thing to do if the brand wants to survive. They can always bring it back.
Why kill the GS instead of updating it? Make it competitive with the 5 series and E class, yes the numbers are down, but it isn't a viable segment worldwide? The LS is in a better segment? Lexus let the GS become stale, with weak engines, and mediocre gas mileage. It is as if they want the sedans to die by neglecting them, and then saying they don't sell.... I see quite a few of the GS sedans around the SF Bay Area, I almost never see the current LS.
Have you looked at the horsepower, gas mileage, and torque coming from BMW or MB with their 6 cylinder motors? That is who the competition is for the GS350 with the 5 series or E class....Lexus let it go stale because of the ES and the consumer wants SUV. The ES and GS both competes in the same market regardless of however Lexus is categorizing the two vehicles. The journalist will compare both to the E class, 5 series, A6, etc. Even the 4th gen GS back in its development was threatened with cancellation by Akio Toyoda. He didn't want the GS but European and American dealerships wanted the GS.
I don't think the GS has mediocre gas mileage or a weak engine. It's in line with most bigger displacement v6 but I drive the GSh.
Lexus let it go stale because of the ES and the consumer wants SUV. The ES and GS both competes in the same market regardless of however Lexus is categorizing the two vehicles. The journalist will compare both to the E class, 5 series, A6, etc. Even the 4th gen GS back in its development was threatened with cancellation by Akio Toyoda. He didn't want the GS but European and American dealerships wanted the GS.
I don't think the GS has mediocre gas mileage or a weak engine. It's in line with most bigger displacement v6 but I drive the GSh.
Have you looked at the horsepower, gas mileage, and torque coming from BMW or MB with their 6 cylinder motors? That is who the competition is for the GS350 with the 5 series or E class....
Yes, I am comparing a V6 to a straight 6 that has a turbo. Why? Because that is what is for sale... I didn't chose the engines the respective manufacturers did... I am doing what a consumer does, compare what is available. Nothing more. Maybe Lexus should have put the turbo V6 from the LS into the GS a couple years ago? IMHO, they should have and kept improving the GS through its lifecycle.Yes. I6 and turbocharged. That's how they are getting the torque figures. You're comparing a V6 NA to a force induction I6. If Lexus, Toyota I should say, kept the I6 and shoehorn the 2jz-gte like their Japanese counterpart, then the outcome may have been different.
AWD won't suddenly make the ES some GS like car. It wasn't built for sport. It was built to be sporty enough and to look sporty. We have a ES F-Sport. It is parked. It also is slower than the GS. At least is it takes regular gas hahaha.
I chatted with Gecko and I cannot state enough how sales are not everything. IF THERE WAS NO GS, MOST OF THIS SITE WOULDN'T BE POSTING HERE OR ANYWHERE. WE ARE THE SOUL OF THE BRAND. The GS changed my fucking life. I can't scream that enough. The GS is the Lexus that brought most of us together 15-20 years ago. It wasn't the ES. When I host events, its all GS/IS and one ES.
So I really am hurt and perplexed by this decision. And I have a youtube video coming.
So I really am hurt and perplexed by this decision. And I have a youtube video coming.
I totally agree...I had gone to one or two Toyota meets in the past, and when the Lexus boys rolled up, it was GS and IS owners who seemed the most passionate about their rides and the Lexus brand. You still seem some, but the newer models don't have the following the old models did, as most RX and ES owners aren't the enthusiasts that the 2-4 GS and 1-2 IS owners were. IDK, but I figure that the changing car culture also changed the Lexus scene as well, not to mention growing up and having families to spend money on.I chatted with Gecko and I cannot state enough how sales are not everything. IF THERE WAS NO GS, MOST OF THIS SITE WOULDN'T BE POSTING HERE OR ANYWHERE. WE ARE THE SOUL OF THE BRAND. The GS changed my fucking life. I can't scream that enough. The GS is the Lexus that brought most of us together 15-20 years ago. It wasn't the ES. When I host events, its all GS/IS and one ES.
So question for you? Why didn't you a GS-F if a GS is so special in your heart of hearts.
I think some do not realize how much this segment will decline.