5th Generation RX Discussion: Official Thread (RX 500h, 450h+, 350h and More)

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More to come soon… it’s a wonderful combination in the flesh


 

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Thinking of dumping my NX 450h+.

Not bad, but not enough quality… Ride quality and seating as well as luxuary is not what I am used to in a Lexus, previous owner of more than 10 Lexus cars, feels more like Toyota+

One alternatives is RX 500h f-sport performance. Discussed a switch with my Lexus dealer, but so far no good or decent offer on terms for finance or leasing, so also has my eyes on a Cayenne e-hybrid.

So, what should I go for, 500h or Cayenne e-hybrid?
 

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Thinking of dumping my NX 450h+.

Not bad, but not enough quality… Ride quality and seating as well as luxuary is not what I am used to in a Lexus, previous owner of more than 10 Lexus cars, feels more like Toyota+

One alternatives is RX 500h f-sport performance. Discussed a switch with my Lexus dealer, but so far no good or decent offer on terms for finance or leasing, so also has my eyes on a Cayenne e-hybrid.

So, what should I go for, 500h or Cayenne e-hybrid?

Go sit in the new Cayenne and make sure you're happy with the interior. They've been corner cutting too.
 

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Not so weird to compare for me


500h

+price

+more included in the base price

+high environmental tax compared with all plug-in cars

Etc.



E-hybrid

+more power

+almost no tax (bonus malus) compared to 500h

Etc.


And there are a lot of comparisions on the internet.

So, your thoughts would interest me.

But, only the price and no other arguments (pro and cons) for 500h from anyone, just a suggestion to go for another german BMW?

Is Lexus out of the battle?!

Well, no F cars anymore (RCF GSF and LC is no more in my country) RX 500h is the single only top end Lexus…

Must be some arguments to stay with Lexus?
 
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That is absolutely not a good idea. ^^

There is barely any benefit to purchase a X5 50e over a regular X5 40i. You're just lugging around a lot more weight without getting any significant increase in fuel economy.

If you want a BMW X5 just get the 40i. Powerful, buttery smooth, and incredibly efficient. You can easily hit low-30's in terms of MPGs without putting any work at all. The B58 that's in the X5 40i is the best powertrain out of any mainstream manufacturer on the market that buying a X5 50e (which is nothing more than the B58 + a hybrid system) is useless. It's heavy, and doesn't get any noticeable increases in MPG, and doesn't drive as good as the regular 40i according to many owners.
 

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That is absolutely not a good idea. ^^

There is barely any benefit to purchase a X5 50e over a regular X5 40i. You're just lugging around a lot more weight without getting any significant increase in fuel economy.

If you want a BMW X5 just get the 40i. Powerful, buttery smooth, and incredibly efficient. You can easily hit low-30's in terms of MPGs without putting any work at all. The B58 that's in the X5 40i is the best powertrain out of any mainstream manufacturer on the market that buying a X5 50e (which is nothing more than the B58 + a hybrid system) is useless. It's heavy, and doesn't get any noticeable increases in MPG, and doesn't drive as good as the regular 40i according to many owners.


Fuelly shows that you can realistically expect 23mpg. The HEV and PHEV look like they get a lot better mileage.
 
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Fuelly shows that you can realistically expect 23mpg. The HEV and PHEV look like they get a lot better mileage.

"Look like" does not spell reality. Go on reddit and on the forums. People have gotten GR Supra's to get 35 MPG, the X5 can easily hit low 30's.

BMW overperforms their EPA numbers.
 

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"Look like" does not spell reality. Go on reddit and on the forums. People have gotten GR Supra's to get 35 MPG, the X5 can easily hit low 30's.

BMW overperforms their EPA numbers.
Fuelly is literally owner reported. What someone pulled off on a single tank isn't typical and shouldn't be used as the number for decision making. My wife's B46 powered MINI did this exactly. On ideal condition road trips, it would pull off up to 35mpg. But the actual average was 27.4mpg over the time that we had it. It is disingenuous to claim that low 30s should be the expectation when calculating overall fuel costs. The low 30s is the anomaly, not the normal.
 

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They already own a NX450h+ so I assume they have easy access to charging. In that case the battery definitely is not a dead weight. The EV range of the 50e is enough for most daily commute, and the long range fuel efficiency won't be much worse than the 40i since it uses an efficiency-tuned version of B58.

If Lexus offered a RX550h+ then this conversation would have been very short but unfortunately that car only exists in our dreams.
 
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Fuelly is literally owner reported. What someone pulled off on a single tank isn't typical and shouldn't be used as the number for decision making. My wife's B46 powered MINI did this exactly. On ideal condition road trips, it would pull off up to 35mpg. But the actual average was 27.4mpg over the time that we had it. It is disingenuous to claim that low 30s should be the expectation when calculating overall fuel costs. The low 30s is the anomaly, not the normal.
I'm not going to argue with you back and forth, but there's more than enough evidence to show that there's many people on forums, Reddit, and full length tests on YouTube of people who have hit 30's. It's really not that difficult nor is it disingenuous. The funny thing is that in many tests the B58 was only a few MPGs off your wife's B48 Mini, that's how good the B58 is given for how much more power it made. So your results lines up with what I said.

Here's a better example, the car I currently drive, I get 6-7 MPGs more than what Toyota has advertised. I push the car hard at times as well (mainly because people around in my area drive like zombies).
 

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Give me all the arguments for Rx 500h sport performance is worth it. Please! Is it a good enough car? Driving experience, seatimg quality, with adaptive dumpers and seats etc.

The tax as a company car and benificial value (private tax) in my country (bonus malus) almost makes other german alternatives with plug in worth it…

Not interested in mpg of BMW etc…