Toyota Land Cruiser Megathread (300, 250, Prado, etc)

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Ali Manai said:
V35a although you can also get diesel slightly used jdm
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That makes the price difference very big. If both had V35A, I am certain the difference would be far smaller. Now that the LC250 and L300 are the same size, there is no way the Prado will get any bigger engines.

I really don’t understand how the both Landcruisers make sense. Other than engine which is a marketing decision, there is no technical difference. If the LC 300 is too expensive for US market, couldn’t they just give it the turbo 4 cylinder? Status does not count anymore. BMW X5, Mercedes SL also come with 4 cylinders now, cheap cars have 3 cylinders now. Maserati and Bentley sell with 6 cylinders.

And unfortunately we will never be able to compare the hybrid turbo with the I4 diesel or V6 diesel, because countries with the diesel won’t get the hybrid.
 
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While Takahashi-san is keen to enter the market, he also acknowledged that Gazoo Racing has limited capacity to develop new products.

“The GR company only has limited resources, so we need to prioritise,” he said.
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This is quite sad. GR has been incredibly successful. Why wouldn't they get more development dollars?
 
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The successor of the 3S-GTE (2.0T, 400+PS, 500+N.m) is more or less confirmed to happen. It doesn't make sense to only use that engine for the Celica. If they are aiming for volume and thus profitability the natural choice is a GR RAV4.

A GR version of the LC250 with 3.4T iForce Max could happen given that they still have a lot of room in GVM.

My prediction of the most likely GR cars to be release in the next few years:
Starlet (1.4T 180PS FWD)
MR2 (1.6T 320PS RWD)
Celica (2.0T 400PS AWD)
Supra Mk.VI (3.0T 420PS RWD)
Hilux (3.3T diesel 320PS 4WD)
Prado (3.4T hybrid 470PS 4WD)
RAV4 (2.0T 400PS AWD)

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This is quite sad. GR has been incredibly successful. Why wouldn't they get more development dollars?
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Because they wasted quite a bit of budget on cancelled programs. The Hypersport was cancelled after the prototype was destroyed in a fire. The mid-engine GR Yaris was delayed by supply chain issues and rebooted as a limited production MR2. The MR kei-car collaboration with Suzuki and Daihatsu didn't materialize and will likely be restarted as the S-FR program. The Supra BEV was a distraction that probably gets pushed back until solid state batteries are ready and rebranded as FT-Se. Not to mention the Lexus F side got zero product in the past 5 years. GS-F, cancelled. LC-F, cancelled. LS-F, cancelled. LF-1, cancelled. LFR, delayed. Some cancellations are deserved and some are not.

A lot of these probably wouldn't have happened if they didn't cave in to shareholder pressure and wasted a bunch of effort on impractically ambitious BEV projects. Especially the Lexus side that still hasn't publicly abandoned their 100% BEV plan.
 
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ssun30 said:
The Hypersport was cancelled after the prototype was destroyed in a fire.
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Wow, is it confirmed?

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A lot of these probably wouldn't have happened if they didn't cave in to shareholder pressure and wasted a bunch of effort on impractically ambitious BEV projects. Especially the Lexus side that still hasn't publicly abandoned their 100% BEV plan.
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On latest news releases they now say "if market conditions allows"... So it changed a bit from that 100% on 2030 for Europe stance.
 
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An interview with a LC250 engineer responsible for front and rear suspension design. Summary of LC250 platform vs. LC300:

>> The completely new parts are the front and rear crash structures. The goal is to minimize overhang while still passing crash tests.

>> Frame panel thickness reduced by 10% and suspension component thickness reduced by 5-10%. They were able to reduce as much weight as possible while keeping frame rigidity the same.

Depending on how you look at it: the F2 platform is a more optimized F1 platform with minimum possible overhang and minimum possible weight, OR a decontented F1 platform with less margins and growth potential.

They surely did a very impressive job with weight reduction. The LC250 2.4T hybrid only weighs 2285kg with a GVM of 3050kg. The LC150 2.8 turbodiesel weighs 2390kg with a GVM of 2990kg. They reduced kerb weight by 105kg while increasing payload by 165kg. The LC250 is also the same size and capability as the LC100, but weighs less despite all the modern interior tech, safety systems, and a hybrid powertrain.
 
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ssun30 said:
They surely did a very impressive job with weight reduction. The LC250 2.4T hybrid only weighs 2285kg with a GVM of 3050kg. The LC150 2.8 turbodiesel weighs 2390kg with a GVM of 2990kg. They reduced kerb weight by 105kg while increasing payload by 165kg. The LC250 is also the same size and capability as the LC100, but weighs less despite all the modern interior tech, safety systems, and a hybrid powertrain.
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In Europe LC250 gets the same diesel as the LC150. So new one while bigger should still be lighter? Fuel tank is smaller though. Design does make the new LC250 look heavy though.
 
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