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CL is fine, just like LE. If you're trash talking then sooner or later you'll get booted.

CL is more about owners' experience or vehicles moddings instead of Lexus news.

Speak for yourself. As someone who used to post on CL a long, long time ago (in an era where Gecko and mikeavelli were very active on CL) CL is not fine, not at all. The individual model forums are not quite what they used to be. Their car chat or general chat sub forums however are absolute disasters; raging dumpster fires really. I've never in my life experienced such atrocious treatment on any forum as I did on CL. As a long-time contributor there long ago, I started to get ostracized and singled out by the mod/admin team. I almost got banned for saying good things about Toyota and Lexus...on a Lexus site. Like Gecko, I wish I was making this up but I'm not.

The mod/admin team there is not just biased, they have malicious intent against pretty much anyone that speaks positively of Toyota and Lexus. The mod/admin team there actively encourages rabid hate against Toyota and Lexus and has done so for many years. Mature, nuanced, civil discussion about Toyota/Lexus or the automotive industry in general is impossible there.
 

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Speak for yourself. As someone who used to post on CL a long, long time ago (in an era where Gecko and mikeavelli were very active on CL) CL is not fine, not at all. The individual model forums are not quite what they used to be. Their car chat or general chat sub forums however are absolute disasters; raging dumpster fires really. I've never in my life experienced such atrocious treatment on any forum as I did on CL. As a long-time contributor there long ago, I started to get ostracized and singled out by the mod/admin team. I almost got banned for saying good things about Toyota and Lexus...on a Lexus site. Like Gecko, I wish I was making this up but I'm not.

The mod/admin team there is not just biased, they have malicious intent against pretty much anyone that speaks positively of Toyota and Lexus. The mod/admin team there actively encourages rabid hate against Toyota and Lexus and has done so for many years. Mature, nuanced, civil discussion about Toyota/Lexus or the automotive industry in general is impossible there.
Could they be paid to do so? It is secret, but car companies have used dirty tactics as intelligence agencies. The Italian reliability issues had origins in Germany, Bosh had its hands in their.
 
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Could they be paid to do so? It is secret, but car companies have used dirty tactics as intelligence agencies. The Italian reliability issues had origins in Germany, Bosh had its hands in their.

At this point, I would say anything is possible with regards to CL. Way back when Mike, Gecko and people like myself still posted on CL, there was some strong circumstantial evidence that Hyundai and Kia had paid commenters/posters at CL at some points.
 

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When you have no term limits...and poor rules for mod selection, anything goes. I find it comical there are individuals trying so hard to be helpful so they can be selected on the mod team. LOL
 

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At this point, I would say anything is possible with regards to CL. Way back when Mike, Gecko and people like myself still posted on CL, there was some strong circumstantial evidence that Hyundai and Kia had paid commenters/posters at CL at some points.

Hyundai hired a bunch of trolls back then to shill for them on a lot of automotive forums.
 

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Hyundai hired a bunch of trolls back then to shill for them on a lot of automotive forums.

This is true. A couple were caught on VW forums and Acura forums.

They still exist. I’m on tons of FB groups and and I think it was the G70 group they were crapping on the IS and j was obviously stating how the IS paved the way for cars like the G70 etc... A FB account with no pictures or posts starts referencing my posts here. It was downright creepy. I actually warned the mod team here that Hyundai/Kia guys might be stalking us. I deleted my posts and got out that group immediately.
 
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