Second Generation Toyota Mirai
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Sounds like an incredible car
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2021 Toyota Mirai: 8 Takeaways From the New Hydrogen Fuel-Cell Sedan
A week with the hydrogen-powered Mirai answered some questions and had us questioning some answers.
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Incredible car with an incredible deal, why not both?
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2020 Toyota Mirai Has A $32,000 Discount
Not long after we learned that the 2021 Mirai will debut with a $10,000 discount, a dealer incentive bulletin has revealed a whopping $32,000 rebate
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ES is also just an "interim fix" FWD-biased sedan with the same engine as a RAV4, really only appealing to someone who needs AWD traction and doesn't mind a heavily compromised package to get it.
The Mirai's hydrogen hybrid system is a totally different ball game and attracts a totally different type of buyer regardless of power - someone focused on cutting edge tech and environmental impact. ES is neither of those.
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Yes it was but within Tokyo Olympic Games which never happened in 2020 due to covid-19
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Yes... I think it was rumored to be an LS?
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Y'all according to some rumors the games are going to get cancelled anyways......
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@CRSTKN, after seeing some reviews, I find it a bit hard to say if this was going to be a proper GS...
Yes, Lexus clearly loose a beautiful sedan, but it's cramped in the rear seats and it has a small boot… Considering that the GS was always a bigger car than the ES, this one seems to be worse than the current 3/3.5IS in both this areas...
It would be a beautifull but heavy, expensive and non-pratical sedan next to the competition.... Reviewers would make it sound like the worst thing Lexus ever created and most probably would be a really hard thing to sell next to a ES or even a LS... Even harder than the 4GS was with a well packaged chassis, nice to drive and spacious interior...
Given this, probably this was the best thing for Lexus since it shared some of the development cost with Toyota (turned into the Mirai) and in return get some more R&D cash to spend in the future.
Yes, Lexus clearly loose a beautiful sedan, but it's cramped in the rear seats and it has a small boot… Considering that the GS was always a bigger car than the ES, this one seems to be worse than the current 3/3.5IS in both this areas...
It would be a beautifull but heavy, expensive and non-pratical sedan next to the competition.... Reviewers would make it sound like the worst thing Lexus ever created and most probably would be a really hard thing to sell next to a ES or even a LS... Even harder than the 4GS was with a well packaged chassis, nice to drive and spacious interior...
Given this, probably this was the best thing for Lexus since it shared some of the development cost with Toyota (turned into the Mirai) and in return get some more R&D cash to spend in the future.
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Quite simple. They had to rework the packaging to accommodate the hydrogen powertrain, which eats into interior and trunk space for the hydrogen tanks, rear battery and rear motor.
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GA-N and GA-L are both heavy, poorly packaged platforms to begin with - you are right - and FWD is always a more space efficient package than RWD. But the packaging of 3 hydrogen tanks, batteries, motors and the fuel cell unit makes it even worse for the Mirai, adding insult to injury. An ICE or hybrid/ICE GS would have still had far less interior volume than an ES - that is for sure - but Mirai is even worse.