Well, but when rival "beats the Lexus with xHP less" it also is not fair when it is underrated. Like the McLaren 720S making +800 PS.I don’t know why it would seem desirable to put that engine in this car. That engine seems a bit lackluster and the HP and, especially, torque numbers, seem a bit misleading if not outright overrated.
Almost all of the major media outlets that did real testing came no where near to what Lexus claimed that engine could do.
This car needs a legitimate 500 HP or at least one that can propel this thing faster than a Kia Stinger.
Worth noting: At the end of that Carscoops BMW 8-Series vs Mercedes S-Class Coupe vs Lexus LC commentary/comparison is a survey asking their readers which of the 3 they like best. The results (as of this writing):A big reason why Lexus needs the LC in its lineup: enthusiast credibility.
There are still biases, but fantastic cars like the LC is helping to change that.
It's totally badge whoring. If you Photoshopped a Benz front end onto it people would sign over their life savings on the spot.There is some disconnect here and I think it has to do with badge whores who just can't seem themselves in a Lexus no matter how good it is. And I'm not against that I totally get it. Still an uphill battle.
Rhambo, shouldn't you be on the Audi CEO Arrested thread?
Also, stoplight drag racing is exactly illegal moron driving. Ask anyone who's been ticketed for it.
You're still missing that people spending near 6 figures on a car don't do that. It's uncouth, gauche, lower-class, chav, Mustang driver, whatever you want to call it.
I know, but it grates to be lectured by someone who drives a hotrod Passat with questionable emissions compliance.Overrated engine slow straightline speed blah blah blah. Why do you guys still insist on reasoning with him? You do realize it is impossible to change someone's opinion through reasoning on the Internet right?
It’s not that, it’s just that this car is just not fast.
I’m not talking track fast, I’m talking about what 99% of the people who buy these cars want in fast: that shallow but fun and amusing stop-light pedal smash that they can do at ANY TIME, ON ANY STREET.
That’s why 0-60 times are important. It’s what most people will do with these cars 99% of time. Track people are the exception, not the rule. I don’t go to track, I could care less how fast it can lap the ring. I want something that throws me into the back of my seat and beat a ton of cars off the line.
0-60 in 4 seconds is what makes running errands fun. It what makes just simple old driving around fun! It allows us to make the most of these cars, even if only for a brief moment, on normal streets. I’m not talking breaking the law moron driving, but just that occasional escape from the stop light to 60 is literally worth the price of admission in itself.
No amount of hey I can track well but I’m slow will influence most people who buy these cars. It’s all about drag racing and Lexus’ fails in this department in spades. They DO NOT GET IT and they never will because their engines are all crap.
Drive a car that can legitimately hit 60 in under 4 seconds and you’ll see.
That’s why the LC will not sell well.
Which enthusiasts? Badge whores? Horsepower fans without skills but mega ego?If you want to raise your nose to these enthusiasts and ignore them, so be it. Lexus is doing precisely that and the results speak for themselves with slow grandpa cars and plummeting sales...
We can also say any 100k car with less HP than a Dodge Demon and slower. I'm not a total fan of that argument. I totally think more power or a new engine would help that much. I just don't think it would have added 300 more people a month to sales. This market cares about badge first and Lexus has an uphill battle in this area with the Europeans. The LC is a great first effort in the 100k coupe market and hopefully things pick up and reach their target.$100k for an exotic-looking car that can’t beat a Kia stinger doesn’t sound very appealing.