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From what we have heard in the past, yes. Just wanted to share different news from a reputable source.Isn't that what the next Supra is supposed to be
From what we have heard in the past, yes. Just wanted to share different news from a reputable source.Isn't that what the next Supra is supposed to be
Up till now that seemed to be the case, but the rumors in the post right before mine seem to indicate otherwise. Unless in misunderstanding.Isn't that what the next Supra is supposed to be
I think they learned a lesson. They will (and Toyota) manage to have a balance of between different types of cars rather than only one or the other. Slowly but steadily Toyota is making BEVs. There is demand, but the one hyped by the media and BEV fanatics. While many carmakers start to backpedal (as irrationally as they went all-in) TMC will seize the opportunity the regain market.The news around BEVs seems to get worse every week whereas demand for HEVs and PHEVs is keeping Toyota's hybrid products on wait lists.
I wonder how Lexus is looking at the market and the future right now. If this buyer sentiment exists for much longer, will they scrap the EV by 2035 plans? The current lineup is lacking in key areas and a lot of it is due to R&D costs and extended development times dedicated to BEVs. What if betting on BEVs doesn't work?
We've seen Lexus on the precipice of these critical shifts before, and I think poor change management at moments like this is what knocked them out of real "Tier 1" luxury status over the last decade and a half due to:
(1) Resistance to developing performance-oriented products and powertrains (including hybrids)
(2) Reluctance to embrace engine downsizing and turbocharging
(3) TNGA delays leading to uncompetitive flagship vehicle launches such as 5LS and 4LX, same for extended lifecycles for IS and RC which forced their removal from many global markets
(4) Not grasping the early opportunity in PHEVs or BEVs after their success with HEVs
Time will tell. With the examples above, I don't think Lexus handles change very well and the whiplash from "EV OR BUST!" to "NOBODY WANTS EVs" would be hard for any company... but Lexus especially seems to have a lot riding on it.
I think they learned a lesson. They will (and Toyota) manage to have a balance of between different types of cars rather than only one or the other. Slowly but steadily Toyota is making BEVs. There is demand, but the one hyped by the media and BEV fanatics. While many carmakers start to backpedal (as irrationally as they went all-in) TMC will seize the opportunity the regain market.
There are not many cars in that list. LC and RC are just the “one” 2 door car Lexus had since its inception, SC gen I, SC gen II replaced by IS C. We know a new Lexus coupe is coming. GS potentially exists, but they won’t make it because it really makes no sense (see new 5 Series/i5), also because of ES. Now the problem will be if ES does not get the same update as the Crown Crossover. GX will not get the V6 hybrid because the LX should get it, marketing reasons, but the cars exist and are up to date and competitive.For Lexus, with what products? They've stalled everything outside of GA-K to prepare for dedicated BEV development, and now they might have to backtrack on that? Knowing Lexus, it could take another decade to engineer all-new premium platforms for their flagship products to accommodate ICE + batteries. Not to mention that we don't know much about if ICE powertrain development might have also been paused for Lexus-specific applications.
The products on GA-K are easier to update and iterate on due to scale and shared costs, but it seems like all of them are 4cyl-based. That's not going to be enough for anything beyond mid-market.
LS? LX? LC? RC? IS? GX deserves the 409hp tune, as well as the V35A + hybrid, not T24A. LX 700h should be the base option with an optional V8 + hybrid. Same for LS. The upper end of the market is where I'm most worried, and GA-K with 4cyl ICE and HEV or PHEV won't cut it.
The news around BEVs seems to get worse every week whereas demand for HEVs and PHEVs is keeping Toyota's hybrid products on wait lists.
I wonder how Lexus is looking at the market and the future right now. If this buyer sentiment exists for much longer, will they scrap the EV by 2035 plans? The current lineup is lacking in key areas and a lot of it is due to R&D costs and extended development times dedicated to BEVs. What if betting on BEVs doesn't work?
We've seen Lexus on the precipice of these critical shifts before, and I think poor change management at moments like this is what knocked them out of real "Tier 1" luxury status over the last decade and a half due to:
(1) Resistance to developing performance-oriented products and powertrains (including hybrids)
(2) Reluctance to embrace engine downsizing and turbocharging
(3) TNGA delays leading to uncompetitive flagship vehicle launches such as 5LS and 4LX, same for extended lifecycles for IS and RC which forced their removal from many global markets
(4) Not grasping the early opportunity in PHEVs or BEVs after their success with HEVs
Time will tell. With the examples above, I don't think Lexus handles change very well and the whiplash from "EV OR BUST!" to "NOBODY WANTS EVs" would be hard for any company... but Lexus especially seems to have a lot riding on it.
Lexus definitely does not have EV or bust mentality, all that crap is PR only. There is no actual proof they are interested in selling phevs, let alone bevs.
I am not sure what news are you listening to, but BEVs are growing fast in Europe and China. A lot of stupid PR stuff in media is just stupid. They expected sales to 100% BEV in 2 years? Stupid.
While Europe is not a big market for Lexus, China is. So far, luxury market in China has not been hit hard with competition from local manufacturers, as customer buy brand names. So Lexus is fine for now, as are BMW/Audi/MB.
TMC on the other hand - Europe is still good as BEVs are expensive and TMC does great with their hybrids (barely sells any phevs at all) due to pricing (Yaris Cross is new best seller). That will change with new wave in 2-3yrs. Phev sales are in freefall though so I dont know what will happen there, shift to bev directly?
But in China? All hands on deck. Both VW and Toyota have a lot to lose:
Forget BEVs, Toyota is moving very slow with PHEVs. A lot of it has to do with the fact that JDM does not care about PHEVs or BEVs.
2035 is a long way off. I think Lexus is likely still pushing for that target. I think we will see certain models switch over earlier than others. Luckily, in the meantime, Lexus has excellent Toyotas to morph into Lexus. ES, RX, NX, (now) TX, and (now) GX have really great Toyota starting points to borrow from. As much as we like to think that Lexus is defined by the LX and LS, their bread and butter are those Toyota based models. The RWD cars are probably the ones that should go BEV first because, frankly, they aren't super relevant these days AND that seems to be the market that is embracing BEV the most. IMO, the hypothetical Lexus household has an IS BEV for dad and a hybrid TX for mom. They don't take the IS on long trips. Dad enjoys bombing around locally in his fast, sleek BEV IS and when they roadtrip, everyone jumps in the more comfortable TX anyway.The news around BEVs seems to get worse every week whereas demand for HEVs and PHEVs is keeping Toyota's hybrid products on wait lists.
I wonder how Lexus is looking at the market and the future right now. If this buyer sentiment exists for much longer, will they scrap the EV by 2035 plans? The current lineup is lacking in key areas and a lot of it is due to R&D costs and extended development times dedicated to BEVs. What if betting on BEVs doesn't work?
We've seen Lexus on the precipice of these critical shifts before, and I think poor change management at moments like this is what knocked them out of real "Tier 1" luxury status over the last decade and a half due to:
(1) Resistance to developing performance-oriented products and powertrains (including hybrids)
(2) Reluctance to embrace engine downsizing and turbocharging
(3) TNGA delays leading to uncompetitive flagship vehicle launches such as 5LS and 4LX, same for extended lifecycles for IS and RC which forced their removal from many global markets
(4) Not grasping the early opportunity in PHEVs or BEVs after their success with HEVs
Time will tell. With the examples above, I don't think Lexus handles change very well and the whiplash from "EV OR BUST!" to "NOBODY WANTS EVs" would be hard for any company... but Lexus especially seems to have a lot riding on it.
So they want to merge the rc and lc into a car that costs more than the LC but makes 20% less power? The interior better be something insane. If its just another implementation of the standard with the 14in screen theyve lost the plot.
So we need go spend $200k US to get a half competitive coupe, or jump to 400k for whatever the new LFA is?Hoping there is an "F" trim of it somehow.
I hear it's not going to cost THAT much, rather it should be around half that.or jump to 400k for whatever the new LFA is