Introducing the Lexus LF-Z Electrified Concept

[Will1991]

How do you know it's an AWD BEV from the video? I watched it twice and just enjoyed the CGI haha.

Hopefully with torque vectoring. Come on, it's like a $1,700 CAD option on the Taycan here in Canada.

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At 4 seconds into the movie:

And yes, I know, I'm a PhotoShop master ahahahah

From the picture above we can also see it's eTNGA platform (given battery pack proportions) and most likely water-cooled, it's not a very good design to be air-cooled.

As far as torque vectoring goes, Lexus isn't clear, but it seems there is at least some kind of brake-bias torque control.

Im thinking it might debut the Direct4 system. Totally speculation on my part.

It should be, this concept was briefly mentioned in the Direct 4 presentation:




@Gecko , considering front/rear overhangs… From the eTNGA Toyota presentation I’ve shared above, this car should have a long front overhang and a short rear overhang… Given only C, with a small battery pack shows a short overhang combined with a short wheelbase…

This may not mean a long front overhang like the ones they’ve now… It could only mean a long front overhang for a eTNGA car… Let’s wait for the production version.

 

[mikeavelli]

Damn, still no rear axle torque vectoring haha. Even the Golf R Mark 8 has it now.

Direct 4 should be the base system for any AWD Lexus hybrid.

Direct4 is superior to torque vectoring? No?

 

[internalaudit]

Direct4 is superior to torque vectoring? No?

I don't think so Direct4 is just to adjust between front and rear power/torque.

Still superior to any existing hybrid Toyota/Lexus hybrid/BEV setup I suppose.

 

[CRSKTN]

Direct4 is superior to torque vectoring? No?

Add torque vectoring to the list of stuff that doesnt actually matter to the EV buyers, like having ridiculous 500 mile range expectations when most people don't do more than a tenth of that in a day.

 

[mikeavelli]

Add torque vectoring to the list of stuff that doesnt actually matter to the EV buyers, like having ridiculous 500 mile range expectations when most people don't do more than a tenth of that in a day.

That is a real good point

 

[internalaudit]

Add torque vectoring to the list of stuff that doesnt actually matter to the EV buyers, like having ridiculous 500 mile range expectations when most people don't do more than a tenth of that in a day.

It matters to me and it's not a one-size fits all approach if you ask anyone in Marketing or just running their own business. Only piston heads will require 500 mile ranges. That's just their excuse and nothing in the world will make them buy an EV that is full of compromises compared to similarly price ICEV, especially in the used car market. Just look at a lot of forum discussions, for $1500-2000, torque vectoring is one of the best feature someone can spend on to improve the car's handling. Not everyone wants that but I do.

I mean it's available on ICEVs or HEVs but there's no point for me to buy a BEV when all I get is instant torque and fuel savings. I would love a sporty enough BEV though and without rear torque vectoring, there's really no point for the time being especially when BEVs are as heavy as a tank, the lower CG helps but not entirely.

If I have to get a Macan BEV three to four years down the road because of that electric torque vectoring, then so be it. Can always buy a Lexus when it finally meets my requirements. Have three cars I can replace so the Lexus can wait.

The depreciation alone on any new car of any type will eat up all that savings and if a BEV, wait until the car is past the battery warranty and see how much the residual value holds.


To a true potential adopter like me, the simplest question is not whether it can go 500 miles but how long that Li-ion battery will last and will there be after warranty support like refurbishment service from the manufacturer.

The torque vectoring requirement is only so I don't have to keep changing cars just to get something way above average in the handling department. @Will1991 did share a video that Toyota would like to build BEVs than can last over 20 years.

 

[Levi]

Add torque vectoring to the list of stuff that doesnt actually matter to the EV buyers, like having ridiculous 500 mile range expectations when most people don't do more than a tenth of that in a day.

You are right. But German car brands are regarded highly just because of the useless staff that most don't need nor even use. So in their minds it does matter.

 

[internalaudit]

Ignorance is bliss.

Just be open-minded and realize people outside your circles can possibly know what features are really worth paying for. It's not like torque vectoring only happens above 60 km/h LOL.

Even our fellow member with the RCF knows how much better his car drives with torque vectoring.


I'm just sharing some reasons why I cannot go with any Lexus BEVs with Li-ion battery and no torque vectoring -- it's not that much of a step up from a decent handling ICEV if we take out instant torque and sheer acceleration numbers.

 

[CRSKTN]

 

[Rydo]

AWD BEV Confirmed by Lexus Europe:

I see that stupid Knight Rider steering wheel and instantly turn off. Looks like this will be another pointless LF-30 concept, nothing more than some motorshow glitz.

 

[spwolf]

Ignorance is bliss.

Just be open-minded and realize people outside your circles can possibly know what features are really worth paying for. It's not like torque vectoring only happens above 60 km/h LOL.

Even our fellow member with the RCF knows how much better his car drives with torque vectoring.


I'm just sharing some reasons why I cannot go with any Lexus BEVs with Li-ion battery and no torque vectoring -- it's not that much of a step up from a decent handling ICEV if we take out instant torque and sheer acceleration numbers.

Yes, apparently torque vectoring is the only reason people buy cars and we have somehow determined that Lexus BEV will not have it. We get it now.

p.s. I have sports diff in my A7, and I cant notice it really.

 

[internalaudit]

Yes, apparently torque vectoring is the only reason people buy cars and we have somehow determined that Lexus BEV will not have it. We get it now.

p.s. I have sports diff in my A7, and I cant notice it really.

I never said that was the only reason people buy cars and surely the Direct4 doesn't have it. It's not an inductive reasoning, it's a deductive type of reasoning, which is a lot more sound for the current discussion.

I said for $1,500-3,000 CAD, I will opt for it, especially on a BEV. Of course there will always be people who would rather opt for leather upholstery or pretend it does not improve handling. We choose how we spend our hard-earned money and respect people's preferences.

Electric torque vectoring a reason to be cheerful

Concerned about the tidal wave of electric performance cars? Well, it's definitely not all bad news...

www.pistonheads.com

Just because you don't notice the difference, it doesn't mean it isn't kicking in. That's a very faulty reasoning unless of course your Sport Differential is broken LOL.

I'm not trying to convince people to get torque vectoring, all I'm saying is without that on a BEV, there's no point for me to adopt one. We don't have any autobahn where I live and I don't plan to track and between 0-100 acceleration and torque vectoring, I'd rather give up 1-2 seconds and get better cornering capabilities and performance/traction in winter (with winter tires of course).

I don't know what kind of brand transformation Lexus is up to but if it's sheet metal design and Direct4, I'll wait for 2.0 or 3.0 version of that.

 

[mikeavelli]

I see that stupid Knight Rider steering wheel and instantly turn off. Looks like this will be another pointless LF-30 concept, nothing more than some motorshow glitz.

Is everything okay?

 

[spwolf]

Just because you don't notice the difference, it doesn't mean it isn't kicking in. That's a very faulty reasoning unless of course your Sport Differential is broken LOL.

You obviously know a lot more about my car and Lexus BEV plans then me. What can I say.

p.s. did you ever drive Model 3P?

 

[internalaudit]

You obviously know a lot more about my car and Lexus BEV plans then me. What can I say.

p.s. did you ever drive Model 3P?

It's either you don't know what TV is on your A7 or it's not working as intended or your car may be sitting in your garage for the entire year now. Doesn't your Audi have a display to show the power to the four wheels? Even Acura with SH-AWD have that and they're just premium cars with no Virtual Cockpit as nice as the ones on the Audis.

Lexus plans have been leaked or exposed. I haven't heard about one coming with electric torque vectoring or I wouldn't even wait for Lexus Transformation 2.0, 3.0 or maybe 4.0. If Lexus awes and surprises me with the transformation with a BEV with solid state battery and rear axle electric torque vectoring, I will definitely finance the second year model and will post photos here.

But I've read enough posts on Porsche discussion forums to know PTV Plus still makes a difference even on a higher-performance vehicle. As to why they would lie about the improvement is beyond me, when most of those households likely make upwards of $250k USD a year.

I don't need to drive a car to know what instant torque is. I also don't test drive a car I have no intention of buying. Have you been on those roller coaster or drop rides in your childhood? Tell me instant torque is nothing like that and prove it and I quit posting on Lexus Enthusiasts. We are humans. For decades, we have been reading pocketbooks, fiction and non-fiction and have been able to feel vicariously a lot of those texts as if we were part of the story.

I'm harnessing my human intelligence to understand useful posts from car aficionados, and those are not limited to people driving Audi A7's.

P.S.
A quick google lands me this. Unless you don't drive on roads with some bends and travel lower than 70 km/h all the time, Audi owners do know there's a difference:

Importance of Sport Diff?

I'm in the market for a 2014+ and I'm curious about how many of you feel that the sport diff is crucial to their driving experience. I'm old (44) and don't drive particularly aggressively. I'm not really interested in either track days nor auto-x. I really want something nice and...

www.audizine.com

 

[Rydo]

Is everything okay?

Yeah thanks, just not in the mood for another disappointment from Lexus. The overall shape of the concept already doesn't really interest me - it looks like a Honda Crosstour; trying to be everything to every person rather than just picking a class. Lexus also needs a BEV now, not in a few years from showing a ridiculous concept.

 

[mediumhot]

This is not going to be an abstraction like LF-30 was, this is a straight out RZ preview. LF-30 was interesting exercise of Corolla hatchback which itself took over LF-Ch design cues. It was PR concept to make Lexus relevant in BEV race. Completely forgetable. But this upcoming thing is the real deal.

 

[spwolf]

It's either you don't know what TV is on your A7 or it's not working as intended or your car may be sitting in your garage for the entire year now. Doesn't your Audi have a display to show the power to the four wheels? Even Acura with SH-AWD have that and they're just premium cars with no Virtual Cockpit as nice as the ones on the Audis.

Lexus plans have been leaked or exposed. I haven't heard about one coming with electric torque vectoring or I wouldn't even wait for Lexus Transformation 2.0, 3.0 or maybe 4.0. If Lexus awes and surprises me with the transformation with a BEV with solid state battery and rear axle electric torque vectoring, I will definitely finance the second year model and will post photos here.

But I've read enough posts on Porsche discussion forums to know PTV Plus still makes a difference even on a higher-performance vehicle. As to why they would lie about the improvement is beyond me, when most of those households likely make upwards of $250k USD a year.

I don't need to drive a car to know what instant torque is. I also don't test drive a car I have no intention of buying. Have you been on those roller coaster or drop rides in your childhood? Tell me instant torque is nothing like that and prove it and I quit posting on Lexus Enthusiasts. We are humans. For decades, we have been reading pocketbooks, fiction and non-fiction and have been able to feel vicariously a lot of those texts as if we were part of the story.

I'm harnessing my human intelligence to understand useful posts from car aficionados, and those are not limited to people driving Audi A7's.

P.S.
A quick google lands me this. Unless you don't drive on roads with some bends and travel lower than 70 km/h all the time, Audi owners do know there's a difference:

Importance of Sport Diff?

I'm in the market for a 2014+ and I'm curious about how many of you feel that the sport diff is crucial to their driving experience. I'm old (44) and don't drive particularly aggressively. I'm not really interested in either track days nor auto-x. I really want something nice and...

www.audizine.com

I think you would do yourself a favor by testing these cars and features you are writing about so you get more accustomed and understand what they mean in practice vs reading them in forum post.

For instance, Tesla Model 3P was incredibly stable fast driving in heavy rain where my A7 would jump around in big puddles over the same road. Tesla's torque vectoring front to back + whatever they apply for esp/tc works really well in practice.

 

[Gecko]

Why is everyone so hostile lately?

Have you all been in quarantine too long?

 

[mikeavelli]

Why is everyone so hostile lately?

Have you all been in quarantine too long?

Im like #freehugs ....