All about the Fourth Generation Prius

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The new Prius is very common here in Silicon Valley and in greater Bay Area, (I still tend to almost gag when I see one:scream:). I spent a month in Sacramento (state capital) recently and saw quite a few there too, which kinda surprised me. I agree with E. Musk on styling, and therefore consider being eco-friendly as no excuse for crappy styling.
 

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The new Prius is very common here in Silicon Valley and in greater Bay Area, (I still tend to almost gag when I see one:scream:). I spent a month in Sacramento (state capital) recently and saw quite a few there too, which kinda surprised me. I agree with E. Musk on styling, and therefore consider being eco-friendly as no excuse for crappy styling.


Not surprising......the Prius has always been enormously popular in CA. (and, if my memory is correct, CA was the first state to market it).

I basically agree with you (and Musk) on the styling issue. Not only with Toyota and Lexus products, but with some other manufacturers as well, new vehicles each year, more and more, seem to be looking like geometric puzzles, or something out of a Pachinko Parlor. Manufacturers claim it is because they are trying to appeal to younger buyers, and they don't think conservative designs will do it. Well, I admit, I'm no spring chicken myself, so I'm not the last word on that policy by any means. But, like it is with you, to me, something is either ugly or it isn't....the enormous spindle-grille on the new RX is probably one of the best examples, as is the entire Nissan Juke from stem to stern.
 
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I recall a survey that around 20% of hybrid owners favor weird styling so that everyone knows that they're driving a hybrid. I've seen that cited as one reason the Prius initially took off when the more normal-looking Camry and Accord hybrids didn't. Obviously that doesn't apply to the mass market in general, but the mass market's also currently SUV/CUV-crazy.
 

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I recall a survey that around 20% of hybrid owners favor weird styling so that everyone knows that they're driving a hybrid. I've seen that cited as one reason the Prius initially took off when the more normal-looking Camry and Accord hybrids didn't. Obviously that doesn't apply to the mass market in general, but the mass market's also currently SUV/CUV-crazy.

Interesting point, but gaudy styling is not the only thing that makes a hybrid. Some states (Virginia, where I live, is one of them) also call attention to hybrids by issuing special license plates for them, with unique markings and letter/number combinations.
 

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My view is that survey might be obsolete today (assuming it even had merit originally), although I do know some Prius owners that aren't very picky about automotive styling or a decent driving experience.
 

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My view is that survey might be obsolete today (assuming it even had merit originally), although I do know some Prius owners that aren't very picky about automotive styling or a decent driving experience.

This may sound somewhat stereotypical, but many Prius owners don't really care about a driving experience in the sense that you, me, or many others in forums like this would from a car-enthusiast point of view, or of people who simply like to drive. Many Prius owners, for environmental reasons, tend to dislike the idea of a car, period, and only look upon it as a transportation device to get them from Point A to Point B in disagreeable weather, or when the distance involved is too far to walk or ride a bike. In other words, the perception is that Prius is a car for people who dislike cars.
 

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This may sound somewhat stereotypical, but many Prius owners don't really care about a driving experience in the sense that you, me, or many others in forums like this would from a car-enthusiast point of view, or of people who simply like to drive. Many Prius owners, for environmental reasons, tend to dislike the idea of a car, period, and only look upon it as a transportation device to get them from Point A to Point B when the distance is too far to walk or ride a bike. In other words, the perception is that Prius is a car for people who dislike cars.

Yes, a few assumptions, lol. For them maybe, a bus pass, Uber, electric mopeds, etc.. Prius today is more about saving gas (money) today than environmental impact, and low gas prices are taking main toll on sales. Being cheap, not green (because the green aspect of Prius isn't that impressive today) is the goal.

In contrast when I see how common Tesla S is around here at over 3x the price with better environmental credentials and much better/attractive styling, no contest.
 

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Yes, a few assumptions, lol. For them maybe, a bus pass, Uber, electric mopeds, etc.. Prius today is more about saving gas (money) today than environmental impact, and low gas prices are taking main toll on sales. Being cheap, not green (because the green aspect of Prius isn't that impressive today) is the goal.

In contrast when I see how common Tesla S is around here at over 3x the price with better environmental credentials and much better/attractive styling, no contest.

Well, like me, you live in an area where many people can afford a Model S. Most people across the U.S. can't.
 

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Well, like me, you live in an area where many people can afford a Model S. Most people across the U.S. can't.

This is hilarious! People who live in big cities will need their own parking space. Which means they can afford to pay extra money to rent a place, where they can charge their EV/EV's, using only renewable energy! They also have to buy that renewable energy from somewhere, or spend extra money buying equipment to produce it themselves and extra open area sunlit space! But, for people who can buy/rent a building lot with a detached house this is not a problem. Either way, EV's are for buyers with high income. I suppose it is normal for your Govt helping rich people to buy something they could buy without taxpayer money!:eyes:eek:_O:bomb::skull:
 
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http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/11/america-changing-ways-one-toyota-prius-sales-five-year-low/
America Is Changing In More Ways Than One: Toyota Prius Sales Are At A Five-Year Low
By Timothy Cain on November 9, 2016





It’s an all-new version of a car that generally finds 140,000 U.S. buyers per year. But the Toyota Prius is quickly fading from the American mainstream.

There’s no doubt that hybrids, in a general sense, are struggling. Combined sales of hybrids and plug-in hybrids are down 6 percent in the United States this year, according to HybridCars.com.

But the Toyota Prius — the all-new, fourth-generation version of the sector’s progenitor — is fading at double speed. Despite its newness and its vast objective improvements, Prius sales are down 12 percent this year.

And October was way, way, way worse than that. Much worse.

Year-over-year, Prius sales in October tumbled 44 percent, undoubtedly hindered by a recall announced mid-month. Only 5,421 copies of the Toyota Prius were sold in the United States in October 2016. That was the lowest October figure for the Prius since 2003, a year before George W. Bush was elected the second time.

October 2016 represented the lowest-volume month for the Prius since June 2011, more than a year before Barack Obama was elected a second time, when the Tōhoku earthquake and subsequent tsunami wreaked havoc on supply of Japan-built cars.
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It might get worse in November. The recall announced earlier in October, related to the possibility of an inoperative parking brake, transitioned into a stop-sale notice in the final days of October.

The level of competition certainly does the Prius no favors when examining the car’s performance in a historical context. In 2007, when Prius sales peaked, there was not a larger Prius and a smaller Prius, nor was there a new plug-in Prius waiting just around the corner. Indeed, plug-ins and pure electrics weren’t stealing 30 percent of the overall hybrid/electric market as they are now, either.

Times have changed. Buyers interested in green cars now have more options.

Fuel prices have changed, as well. In mid-2007, American car buyers were paying more than $4.00/gallon or regular fuel, roughly half that today.
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For the new Prius, the changing American automotive landscape is likewise all too apparent. Not only are there more competitors stealing the Prius’s old market share. Not only is it difficult for any vehicle in this category to make headway when fuel prices are so low. But the Prius is also a car in a market that’s now filling its belly on SUVs and crossovers. In October, Americans purchased and leased 60,000 more utility vehicles than cars.

Unfortunately for Toyota, the core Prius’s decline wasn’t even the worst in the Prius family in October. While resulting in far less lost volume, the aged Toyota Prius V wagon plunged 45 percent in October 2016; the subcompact Prius C slid 54 percent. Nor were the significant declines among Toyota hybrids connected only to the Prius family. HybridCars.com says Camry Hybrid sales slid 29 percent compared with October 2015, the Avalon Hybrid was down 32 percent, Highlander Hybrid sales slid 5 percent, the Lexus ES300h fell 61 percent, and the Lexus CT200h tumbled 48 percent.

The Toyota RAV4 Hybrid has become an important part of the increasingly popular RAV4 lineup, however, and Lexus crossover hybrid volume is on the rise, as well. And of course, Toyota light truck volume is soaring. Last month was the best-ever October for Toyota light truck sales, and it would likely have been better if supply wasn’t an issue.

But the Prius, the hybrid that got the green ball rolling at Toyota, is increasingly less consequential in Toyota showrooms. That’s true whether we’re discussing a month with or without quality issues.

A decade ago, the Prius accounted for 7 percent of the new vehicles sold by Toyota Motor Sales, USA, Inc. That figure is down to 4 percent this year; just 3 percent in October.

So, can Toyota interest you in a Prius Prime?
 

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This is hilarious! People who live in big cities will need their own parking space. Which means they can afford to pay extra money to rent a place, where they can charge their EV/EV's, using only renewable energy! They also have to buy that renewable energy from somewhere, or spend extra money buying equipment to produce it themselves and extra open area sunlit space! But, for people who can buy/rent a building lot with a detached house this is not a problem. Either way, EV's are for buyers with high income. I suppose it is normal for your Govt helping rich people to buy something they could buy without taxpayer money!:eyes:eek:_O:bomb::skull:


Another factor is that Tesla dealerships (which are company-owned, not regular privately-owned franchises) tend to be concentrated in larger cities and/or high-income areas. You're not likely to find many of them in low-income or sparsely-populated areas....for simple, obvious reasons.

Anyhow, the thread topic is the Prius....we don't want to spend too much time on Teslas here.
 

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On topics such as these, I think there are too many knee-jerk reactions.

Yes the odd new Prius styling has something to do with it, but let's be honest; the Prius has ALWAYS had odd styling. The Prius has never had "normal" styling. That is pretty much what the Prius always has been, and will be styling-wise. The simpler explanation here is that larger vehicles, specifically crossovers are very popular, which has led to decreased car sales. Also secondly, gas prices are low, which further depresses hybrid sales. So since the Prius is a small car, and it is a hybrid, then it is affected currently by two big market factors which make the sales drop very logical.

Of course, it is what it is. These are the current market trends, but they will change and give way to other trends in the future. Toyota is a full-line automaker, so regardless of the market trends, Toyota offers something for almost every type of vehicle buyer. This is part of the nature of being a full-line automaker; you'll never have your entire lineup always be popular all the time, but much of your lineup should remain popular most of the time, assuming you sell desirable vehicles.
 

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I actually saw gas at $1.99 for regular in Tampa last weekend. I rarely ***** or notice gas prices anymore but that did make me look lol. Surely that has a lot to do with it.

Again I feel Toyota just droppped the ball with styling. I've seen a handful of the new ones. I recommend an emergency facelift at the very least.
 

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I actually saw gas at $1.99 for regular in Tampa last weekend. I rarely ***** or notice gas prices anymore but that did make me look lol. Surely that has a lot to do with it.

Once you get out of the D.C. suburbs, 87 octane is below $2.00 in most of Virginia. The only reason it's not at that level in this area is the higher costs of doing business here, particularly in proper/buisness taxes.

Also, was that $1.99 gas you saw a major name-brand, or the cut-rate stuff from Smiling Sam's station down the street?

Again I feel Toyota just droppped the ball with styling. I've seen a handful of the new ones. I recommend an emergency facelift at the very least.

Almost all Priuses, for four generations, ever since the first American-market version debuted in 2000, have been unconventional inside and out with their styling and dash/console layouts. I hope you're right, but, based on history, I don't see where another facelift, emergency or not, is going appreciably change that.

The last version of the small, entry-level Prius C did have a somewhat more conventional gauge-cluster than other Prius models, but the latest version seems to have gone more Star-Wars.
 
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