7th Generation (2019+) Lexus ES (250, 260, 300h, 350) Megathread
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Nope. ES will be launched few months later than in Asia. They have to stage the launch to get enough produced.
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When I have time I want to try to explain some tidbits that was mentioned in the Chinese video.
Really interesting thing about the ES is how long the wheel base and interior rear space is, perfect mass market premium sedan for China, perhaps the sales numbers they'll throw down in China with the ES might easily dwarf global numbers for the GS (not even counting EU), and thats how they justified the new ES and ending GS sales in Europe.
What really perplexes me is what is going to fill the MSRP gap between ES and LS? Will the ES just start low and gain tons of optional features to bring it to 55k-ish?
Will the GS get refreshed again to try to extend sales life?
Really interesting thing about the ES is how long the wheel base and interior rear space is, perfect mass market premium sedan for China, perhaps the sales numbers they'll throw down in China with the ES might easily dwarf global numbers for the GS (not even counting EU), and thats how they justified the new ES and ending GS sales in Europe.
What really perplexes me is what is going to fill the MSRP gap between ES and LS? Will the ES just start low and gain tons of optional features to bring it to 55k-ish?
Will the GS get refreshed again to try to extend sales life?
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No they couldn't justify even a minor refresh for the GS. It will head to its grave after this model year perhaps.
I can't imagine how dominting the ES could become once the drop in import tax in China kicks in.
obviously something new will be slotted where GS is, maybe the rumored 4 door coupe GS?
Otherwise, right now we do not see anything about ES going up in pricing significantly. They are not changing its market position, they are adding F-Sport model for different buyer set and also upping everything else, but in the end, it has same market position as before.
Also GS continues for 2019 MY in the US. For Europe they would have to do some re-engineering to add particulate filters i guess and they decided against it. In RU, GS-F stays.
Gaps might not really exist in line-ups. If without GS all potential GS buyers settle for the LS (which is now cheaper, sportier and spacier) or for the ES that is also cheaper has offers all that GS customers wanted (except RWD and AWD for now), there are no free GS buyers, or they could settle for sportier IS if that is their priority, but LS is too big. It happens that gap filling simply dilutes other sales in the lineup, without increasing total brand sales.
LS is not cheaper... maybe in your part of Europe? Otherwise when talking about USA as baseline, it is $80k vehicle, while ES tops out at $48k loaded.
I was comparing to last generation LS, and in Western Europe, because since 2013 the only LS sold was LS 600h at + € 120K if I recall correctly. The hybrid is cheaper than the turbo now, last generation it was the contrary.
@krew Lexus EU has released more info and detailed high resolution videos of both interior and exterior in interesting colors:
https://newsroom.lexus.eu/2019-es-a-higher-level-of-performance-and-sophistication/
https://newsroom.lexus.eu/2019-es-a-higher-level-of-performance-and-sophistication/
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I think there was a panoramic roof on the red base ES in the California reveal.
unfortunately we, very limited, europeans like black on black and hence them showing it... i certainly hope there will have more options in Europe for F-Sport.
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Not sold at all for promoting ES as GS replacement
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Which is not something they're doing. They're letting the ES be the ES, other than that it's supposed to get AWD at some point.