@Joaquin Ruhi , considering Geneva (the biggest European Auto Show and a very important one worldwide) is just around the corner and I'm pretty sure we won't get anything new to show... Even a new set of wheels would improve current trend...
2020 LS had a host of updates already.
ExactlyI know, I wanted to say this year Lexus hasn’t got anything really new to show for Geneva, everything was already presented in previous auto shows.
There will be a V8 - it's just going to cost $100k or more, so basically, you'll be able to buy an LS F for about the same price as a decently optioned S560.
Interesting post. My theory is that the LS+ design changes were reflective of the 2020 GS. There has been plenty matched to a 5th Gen GS rendering and the Mirai itself, in hard points. As I study more about Mirai development and launch plans, a lot of things point to them hitting a rock wall in late 2016 with a new GS and then shifting to Mirai over the course of several months in 2017. I at the time wasn't aware.
Me waiting for the V8 5LS...
I've just spent the past few days re-reading this thread from start to end seeing as I am cooped up in the house at the minute thanks to coronavirus measures here in Scotland.
I think it's quite interesting to see this kind of sentiment early in the life the 5LS - that of "yeah, don't worry guys, LS F/V8s are coming". Yet here we are 3 years later...and there's still nothing.
The LS+ was a bizarre concept, because it basically was like the LF-FC idea but in the 5LS body, and with a horrible grille. Someone earlier in the thread said that the LS+ was very similar to the LF-FC, even more so than the 5LS. They couldn't be more wrong. The LS+ is nothing more than a 5LS with horrid front end treatment and a full-width rear taillight. I'd much rather see the full width rear light kept as a CUV/SUV design motif and not make their way onto other offerings too - Lexus has been very good to avoid the cookie cutter approach of the Germans.
Something else gets me in the thread too, just how many people, myself included obviously, who still look back at that LF-FC concept with nothing but utter admiration. I know there are those in this thread who still try and maintain that 5LS is 90% of the LF-FC concept, but that just isn't the case. The LF-FC looked absolutely perfect from every angle, to every person. The British motoring media were gushing with praise for it, and although that's hard to explain to anyone who doesn't live here, that means an awful lot.
The 5LS on the other hand, was of course met with some admiration from diehard Lexus fans, to whom Lexus can do very little wrong, but overall, a lot of people were disappointed.
Looking at the 5LS 3 years later, I can see that it looks nice. It's a nice car. But it's not jaw-dropping. The LF-FC was jaw-dropping.
Sales numbers for this LS are poor because it doesn't have a V8. There's absolutely no point in pretending that increased performance numbers matter here. A V8 is a V8 is a V8. People have a fascination with V8s, and to say it has a V8 engine just sounds so much better than a V6. Split hairs over performance etc all you like, but that is what it boils down to. I've heard Jay Leno praise his Chrysler Imperial for having a V8 and not the 6 cylinders of the Mercedes of the era. I've watch Robbie Coltrane present a whole documentary on the V8...not the V6.
And before I sign off, what on earth is the new Toyota Mirai? Is that the LS+ changed into a Toyota product?
My question to myself is why did they show the LS+? It never made sense to me as a concept version of a future LS facelift
I'm going to respond to Rydo soon, but I have a conference call coming up very soon on U553 MCA program.
For now I do want to point out that the advent of an LS F looks like it's dead to me. There have not been any trademarks filed as of 2020 and therefore it is too late, unless it arrives at the end of 2022 as a 2023 model. A 2024 LS-F just wouldn't work, based on expected LS lifecycle.
Do they plan to create a different kind of performance LS instead with electrification or FCV?
I personally think LS F is out at this point. An LC F will cover the ground for a performance flagship with a lot more appeal, and there is probably no case to be made for LS F with low sales of the base model. 1-2 years ago from internal employees, I heard a lot of discussion about LC F and brief mention of LS F, but noting concrete. Since then, there's been a little more discussion of LC F but absolutely nothing about LS F.
LX F/LF-1 F... definitely. That is where the money is right now.
With so many of Lexus' core products seeming delayed, discontinued or in jeopardy, I keep asking myself what real strategy they have around F. No current IS F, rumor is "no" for 4IS, no ES F, GS/GS F going away, RC F is old now and we only have Mazda collaboration rumors, no F SUVs and not sure FWD platforms can support it, etc.
It seems possible that we could just have an RC F at the end of this year, and then maybe LC F alone in 2022.
I personally think LS F is out at this point. An LC F will cover the ground for a performance flagship with a lot more appeal, and there is probably no case to be made for LS F with low sales of the base model. 1-2 years ago from internal employees, I heard a lot of discussion about LC F and brief mention of LS F, but noting concrete. Since then, there's been a little more discussion of LC F but absolutely nothing about LS F.
LX F/LF-1 F... definitely. That is where the money is right now.
With so many of Lexus' core products seeming delayed, discontinued or in jeopardy, I keep asking myself what real strategy they have around F. No current IS F, rumor is "no" for 4IS, no ES F, GS/GS F going away, RC F is old now and we only have Mazda collaboration rumors, no F SUVs and not sure FWD platforms can support it, etc.
It seems possible that we could just have an RC F at the end of this year, and then maybe LC F alone in 2022.