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F0 platform is actually the heavy duty line aka 70 series.
F0 refers to the heavy duty line. F1 is the station wagon line. F2 is the light duty line. The nomenclature are constant over different generations.
F0 has the longest lifespan, with the current "70+80" series designed in 1999 (replaced the original 70 series leaf suspension with 80 series coil suspension). F1 and F2 have similar lifespan of ~20 years. The 100/200 series are the same F1 platform and 120/150 are the same F2 platform. Toyota only redesigns a BOF platform according to regulations in their target markets (safety, emissions and fuel economy), otherwise they just update the body and powertrain.
F1 received it's first redesign with the TNGA-F1, but now also includes the NA market Tundra/Sequoia. F2 is also redesigned with TNGA-F2 and now includes the Tacoma.
F0 has the longest lifespan, with the current "70+80" series designed in 1999 (replaced the original 70 series leaf suspension with 80 series coil suspension). F1 and F2 have similar lifespan of ~20 years. The 100/200 series are the same F1 platform and 120/150 are the same F2 platform. Toyota only redesigns a BOF platform according to regulations in their target markets (safety, emissions and fuel economy), otherwise they just update the body and powertrain.
F1 received it's first redesign with the TNGA-F1, but now also includes the NA market Tundra/Sequoia. F2 is also redesigned with TNGA-F2 and now includes the Tacoma.
Toyota's own news release for the 200's launch states the platform has been completely redesigned.
Excuse me but the J100 and J200 are not one and the same. They are very different vehicles.
The j200 platform was all new compared to the j100.
The frame is different and stronger, components were beefier than the J100, the independent front suspension changed from torsion bars to coil springs...this is without going into detail regarding all the other differences.
So to say the first redesign happened with TNGA-F1 is ridiculous with all due respect.
You are confusing the J100 and J200 with the J120/J150. The J120 and J150 shared the same platform so when they changed for MY2024 and moved on to TNGA-F2 that was the first proper platform change for them since the J120 debut.
However in the case of the J100 and J200 to bundle them together and say they are the same is definitely not true as the changes between the J100 and J200 are equally on par with the changes that happened between J200 and J300, some would argue even more.
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That is correct.
They are very different vehicles. For starters alone, the front suspension changed a lot between both generations.
Both are independent front suspension but the LC100 used torsion bars in front and the LC200 uses coil springs in the front.
The frame is different, the mechanical components in the J200 were beefed up in general vs the J100. I mean obviously the list is even longer but the main point is they are not the same.
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Username checks out. 😂
I’ve driven both the 100 and 200, and they couldn’t be any different. Handling and esp ride is night and day.
I was confused at first as well since I know the J100 and J200 are different. Turns out I misread the sentence and the "20 year update cycle" was referring to the F2 (J120/150) only. The engineer was talking about BOF platform timelines and the F2 platform was unchanged because there was no regulatory requirement.
My understanding is that the Tundra, Sequoia, 300 series, and LX ride on the F1, and the Tacoma, 4Runner, Land Cruiser, and GX ride on the F2.
I assume the Hilux and Fortuner may move to the TNGA-F platform as well, but it’ll be interesting to see if they adopt F2, or if they will adopt a smaller “F3” versoion.
I assume the Hilux and Fortuner may move to the TNGA-F platform as well, but it’ll be interesting to see if they adopt F2, or if they will adopt a smaller “F3” versoion.
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This was well done.
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Dude keeps saying the GX is a 300 series LC. 🤨
Yeah, a bunch of people in the comments are correcting him, but he thinks because they’re both 112” WB and TNGA-F that they’re the same thing. He also said the Prado is dead…lol.
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Another youtuber that doesn’t know ****
He also said on one of his previous video, the 24 Land Cruiser is less capable than 24 GX. Because the Land Cruiser doesn’t have KDSS, and KDSS allow the sway bar to disconnect.
The side glass design of the 250 was clearly inspired from this old 4 door 70 series prototype.
(pic from the lc70 book -TOYOTA LAND CRUISER 70 Series - The World's Workhorse - Author: Takeshi Namba.)
the design idea was revived with the lc250 and finally appeared on a production land cruiser.
We also see hints of that design in the electric land cruiser Se concept - mixed with the rear lexus style pillar glass.
(pic from the lc70 book -TOYOTA LAND CRUISER 70 Series - The World's Workhorse - Author: Takeshi Namba.)
the design idea was revived with the lc250 and finally appeared on a production land cruiser.
We also see hints of that design in the electric land cruiser Se concept - mixed with the rear lexus style pillar glass.
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Great observation
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Here is white and I get my 6”5 butt in the third row lol… it reminds me of the LX… which is fine for kids and small adults…
2024 Lexus GX 550 | Eminent White Pearl | Third Row Look
2024 Lexus GX 550 | Eminent White Pearl | Third Row Look
I like the way the luxury + looks with the 22" and hidden running boards....seems to sit up higher visually.