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I've not commented much on this vehicle here, despite probably having a good degree of intel on it from someone who has test driven the vehicle, particularly in a performance trim level I will call "TRD" for now.
Please ignore the misinformed coverage being provided by KK on YouTube, regarding this new "2024" Camry. It isn't right, as the 2024 MY Camry is entering production in 5 weeks and it's carryover. No changes.
According to some people I've been sharing this with, particularly a cousin of mine who only posts on GM and Ford sites, many people keep getting misled by that. I don't think what I have to say counts for much on a greater level with a lot of ignoramuses believing Kirk, because they'll find out eventually, just like they did with the 2023 Lexus GX, 2023 Toyota Tacoma, and 2023 Toyota 4Runner being carryover after they all propagandized .
Toyota is subject to delays just like any other automaker. I have been very on target following any changes in launch trajectory. When I learn about any delays, I mention them as quickly as possible. I do make mistakes of my own and more so from bad insight, but I do my best to make retractions if wrong. I don't sit on it and skip away to into the next dimension, when I get something wrong. This is huge problem I have with most vloggers, who are not being more responsible with their messaging. I have asked a few people to spread this message around (plus Ford stuff), but I don't think they're making a difference.
Anyway, if we determine at reveal, that it's still the same 8th generation with a heavy facelift, we can hopefully keep the title as it is or if indeed Gen 9, moderators correct the title accordingly. I believe Toyota after 7 years, will consider it a generation change, but a Major-Minor Change like the 2016 Tacoma.
Here are the bullet points, copy-pasted from another post of mine on VW-focused multi-brand subforum, called The Car Lounge:
My expectation for a few years now, has been:
- MY 2025 on a revised TNGA-K modular architecture as Major Minor Change
- Toyota Technical Center Ann Arbor and York Township, Saline, MI have sole responsibility for the 380D Program.
- NO JP HQ Input anymore
- 2GR-FKS 3.5L V6 replaced by the 2.4L turbocharged T24A-FTS as a new addition
- TRD/GR Version Has AWD and was tested by my source 11 months ago, being able to do high 4s 0-60 MPH and had 350 hp.
- I've been private about this, but I did notice recently someone else echoed the same numbers elsewhere online and mentioned WRX-grade (Legacy) type targets. I don't think I'm their source for that info, so my own source might be independently correct.
- Camry Prime PHEV under consideration
- 2.5L NA A25A allegedly carries over
- SOP is February/March 2024
- MY 2025 introduction in Spring 2024.
- Revealed in Q4 2023 (I've said November, but could be wrong)
The above has held up as accurate apparently.
As someone who carefully takes an interest in high revenue products and/or segment leaders, I've the past 4 years or so kept on eye on major industry developments, even if it doesn't concern my own work.
Toyota over the past 4 years, has been carefully tooling away on the program for the next generation Camry, now called internally 380D. Final styling work concluded during 2021, but I can't say I know when design freeze occurred.
I would suspect by early 2022, considering there have been prototypes running around, even test driven by one of our very own (TCL) users a year ago (who shared this with me)! Said by them to have roughly 350 hp at the time and powered by Hybrid Max T24A-FTS with AWD.(apologize for leaking)
I've been commenting on this 380D vehicle for MY 2025 in multiple online spots, in an informative capacity for some 2-3 years, due to early insight I had stumbled upon in 2020, just as the current model entered mid-cycle. It notably received a very mild Mid-Model Change (MMC) in October 2020 for MY 2021. At the time in early 2020, I "declared" it would be redesigned for MY 2024.
From what I first noticed a year later in the summer of 2021, is how 380D production start was listed for February 2024 and March 2024 in another database. Within a few months, I deduced it was not a 2024.5 model, but an early 2025 model like the 2007 Camry (XV40) in March 2006.
I based this on the End of Production (EOP) for the current XV70 Camry, itself developed from January 2013 to 2017 under the 010B Program.
Based on recent Toyota reveals post 2020 (COVID-19 changes), I also deduced it would be revealed at the end of 2023, similar to the 2023 Prius being first shown in November 2022. Toyota is following seasons with their reveals and I've gotten a pulse on how they're operating...
Some insiders say my claims were correct in regards to MY/Job 1/Reveal/etc, but I've been cautious with jumping to conclusions with no official information.
If the March 2024 SOP date still remains, the reveal date of November 2023 should hold through. A lot of media entities have as usual reported false info on this development and called it a 2023/24 model, despite being informed otherwise. I have to play clean up and do their job for them I guess.
Not to mention, have drawn up misleading renderings, despite common knowledge being that it was a MAJOR MINOR CHANGE, akin to the 2016 Toyota Tacoma not being all-new from scratch like its 2005MY redesign. The Tacoma as you know, is all-new for 2024 and beats this new Camry by barely under half a year into showrooms.
What I have said since 2021 is this:
MAJOR MINOR CHANGE = Moderate redesign on the same architecture, with new powertrains and revised underbody. These typically count as a new generation vehicle, unlike the 2014 Toyota Tundra and 2015 Camry, not regarded as such.
Save for my own mistakes, this is why I hate misinformation and do my best to rely on internal insight, not ignorant guesstimates as an (corporate) outsider. (If the inside info is tainted or shared to me in bad faith...🤷♂️) As a working industry professional, it disappoints me how poor a job with investigate reporting, that the automotive media does and it's why, I kind of like to fill in the gap where I can (as someone well informed), in my free time.
Anyone with common sense, could see the obvious, but it's often missed anyway. The next generation Accord sedan might be dead as you know it currently, for MY 2028. Not sure what that means for this vehicle, but who knows really.
As someone who carefully takes an interest in high revenue products and/or segment leaders, I've the past 4 years or so kept on eye on major industry developments, even if it doesn't concern my own work.
Toyota over the past 4 years, has been carefully tooling away on the program for the next generation Camry, now called internally 380D. Final styling work concluded during 2021, but I can't say I know when design freeze occurred.
I would suspect by early 2022, considering there have been prototypes running around, even test driven by one of our very own (TCL) users a year ago (who shared this with me)! Said by them to have roughly 350 hp at the time and powered by Hybrid Max T24A-FTS with AWD.(apologize for leaking)
I've been commenting on this 380D vehicle for MY 2025 in multiple online spots, in an informative capacity for some 2-3 years, due to early insight I had stumbled upon in 2020, just as the current model entered mid-cycle. It notably received a very mild Mid-Model Change (MMC) in October 2020 for MY 2021. At the time in early 2020, I "declared" it would be redesigned for MY 2024.
From what I first noticed a year later in the summer of 2021, is how 380D production start was listed for February 2024 and March 2024 in another database. Within a few months, I deduced it was not a 2024.5 model, but an early 2025 model like the 2007 Camry (XV40) in March 2006.
I based this on the End of Production (EOP) for the current XV70 Camry, itself developed from January 2013 to 2017 under the 010B Program.
Based on recent Toyota reveals post 2020 (COVID-19 changes), I also deduced it would be revealed at the end of 2023, similar to the 2023 Prius being first shown in November 2022. Toyota is following seasons with their reveals and I've gotten a pulse on how they're operating...
Some insiders say my claims were correct in regards to MY/Job 1/Reveal/etc, but I've been cautious with jumping to conclusions with no official information.
If the March 2024 SOP date still remains, the reveal date of November 2023 should hold through. A lot of media entities have as usual reported false info on this development and called it a 2023/24 model, despite being informed otherwise. I have to play clean up and do their job for them I guess.
Not to mention, have drawn up misleading renderings, despite common knowledge being that it was a MAJOR MINOR CHANGE, akin to the 2016 Toyota Tacoma not being all-new from scratch like its 2005MY redesign. The Tacoma as you know, is all-new for 2024 and beats this new Camry by barely under half a year into showrooms.
What I have said since 2021 is this:
MAJOR MINOR CHANGE = Moderate redesign on the same architecture, with new powertrains and revised underbody. These typically count as a new generation vehicle, unlike the 2014 Toyota Tundra and 2015 Camry, not regarded as such.
Save for my own mistakes, this is why I hate misinformation and do my best to rely on internal insight, not ignorant guesstimates as an (corporate) outsider. (If the inside info is tainted or shared to me in bad faith...🤷♂️) As a working industry professional, it disappoints me how poor a job with investigate reporting, that the automotive media does and it's why, I kind of like to fill in the gap where I can (as someone well informed), in my free time.
Anyone with common sense, could see the obvious, but it's often missed anyway. The next generation Accord sedan might be dead as you know it currently, for MY 2028. Not sure what that means for this vehicle, but who knows really.
I created this thread despite existing discussion, because this vehicle is no longer 010B-related and has its own designation 380D. Bunching it into the old thread, buries it under 2018-24MY discussion.
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