2018 LS Master Thread (Debuts 1/9/17 8:30am -2017 NAIAS)

[Lexus Cohen]

Bright, new future for Lexus! With the LS and LC together, 8th December, 2016 will forever be remembered!

Definitely December to Remember

 

[Rydo]

I have to disagree with all you guys saying the LF-FC was too aggressive to be a luxury car in the segment it is in. That is the exact thing that Lexus are trying to do, move away from conservative and boring and to pushing the boundaries and polarising cars that people are passionate about loving or hating rather than just indifferent feeling.

 

[spwolf]

I have to disagree with all you guys saying the LF-FC was too aggressive to be a luxury car in the segment it is in. That is the exact thing that Lexus are trying to do, move away from conservative and boring and to pushing the boundaries and polarising cars that people are passionate about loving or hating rather than just indifferent feeling.

i think @Carmaker1 is clearly correct - LS was already finished design when LF-FC was done... unlike with LC, where concept influenced production.

 

[Lexus Cohen]

 

[Tragic Bronson]

It’s About Time – Lexus Will Finally Show A New LS Flagship AT NAIAS In 2017

The current automotive climate is not a favourable one for full-size sedans, luxury or otherwise.

Many automakers have persevered, reinvesting in their flagship sedans despite decreased demand. BMW, for instance, suffered a 29-percent loss in U.S. 7 Series demand over the last decade, yet the company introduced two new generations of 7 Series during that period.

Lexus, however, has allowed the LS to wallow in a pool of its own misery. The car that started it all for Lexus was once a conservative, value priced, marketplace leader in the full-size sector; a car that could beat the overpriced Germans at their own game. Now, the decade-old fourth-generation Lexus LS has all but disappeared from the public consciousness. Sales have fallen 73 percent since 2006.

Toyota has finally determined that it’s time for a new Lexus LS. In fact, it’s been time for a new Lexus LS for quite a while.

Lexus last led the category in sales in 2009, ending a streak of three years in which the LS outsold both the BMW 7 Series and Mercedes-Benz S-Class. (2016 will be the S-Class’s seventh consecutive year of sales leadership excluding the notion that the smaller Tesla Model S, sales figures for which are not reported, is the more popular car.) All of the new, third-gen LS’s successes in 2007 — when U.S. LS volume rose to a 16-year high — were washed away with the recession, and Lexus simply didn’t fight back once the market recovered.

In 2007, more LS sedans were sold every two months than will be sold in all of 2016.

Again, some of that decline can be attributed to the market’s shifts. But not all.

The Lexus LS offers a relatively small lineup: presently one engine, two wheelbases, rear or all-wheel drive. Despite a much higher price tag, Mercedes-Benz generates more than triple the U.S. volume with help from six sedan and three coupe variants.

Now, with the arrival of the Genesis G90 — essentially the new Lexus LS some three decades later — the pie doesn’t grow any larger, but the number of mouths to feed increases.


11 years after Lexus displayed the fourth-generation LS at the 2006 North American International Auto Show in Detroit and 28 years after the 1989 Detroit show hosted the arrival of the first LS, the fifth iteration will bow in January at 2017’s NAIAS. Lexus’ new premium rear-wheel drive platform already seen underneath the LC500 will be the foundation for the new LS.

Lexus promises, “a more dynamic experience on the road,” and “visionary technology.”

No promises yet regarding the Lexus executive barge’s ability to overcome years of decline and lost market share.

In spite of the LS’s downfall, overall Lexus volume climbed to record levels in 2015. Total Lexus sales through 2016’s first eleven months are down 4 percent, a decline caused by the car division’s 20-percent drop, including a 22-percent year-over-year LS decrease.

 

[Black Dynamite]

I predict that the LS5 will be A HUGE HIT, at least in the U.S., if it looks anything like the concept.
The Germans, all of them, are too conservative in the exterior, and only the Benz has a truly great interior.
Lexus sees their cards on the table and is in a great position to counter and gain market share, and with a noticeably younger demographic to boot.
BD

 

[Lexus Cohen]

I'm hoping the new LS will have the V8 from the RC F, NO turbo V6! After getting the LC500 I will definitely need to update my current car to a flagship sedan for family trips.

 

[Levi]

I'm hoping the new LS will have the V8 from the RC F, NO turbo V6! After getting the LC500 I will definitely need to update my current car to a flagship sedan for family trips.

Haters (don't mean you) will never be pleased. If LS will get NA V8, they will cry because they would prefer more torquey TT V6. If LS will get TT V6, they will cry because they would prefer TT V8. If LS will get TT V8, they will cry because Porsche Panamera Turbo S is faster and lighter and better and more reliable and better quality etc. Of course they can't buy it, they'll get back to their used overpriced FWD Golf, called Audi A3 with "clean" 4 banger TDI.

:expressionless:

 

[mordecai]

I'm so excited to see the interior of this car. Lexus better blow us away with it! The exterior is looking promising, but I'm not expecting I will be surprised by it. I already feel like I know what it will look like. I just really want something that's a classy execution of their design language that is befitting their flagship sedan. But the interior -- it needs to AT LEAST match the standards set by the S-class. I wouldn't expect anything less from the new LS.

I was just looking at the closeup of the LS teaser shot and looked at the headlamps. It looks like the "L" LED strip at the bottom is integrated with the headlights just like in the GS. The L strip looks like it has an interesting fillament-like design to it like the LF-CC taillamps. These fillaments look to connect to the LF-FC-like triple LED headlights.

 

[White Beach]

I'm so excited to see the interior of this car. Lexus better blow us away with it! The exterior is looking promising, but I'm not expecting I will be surprised by it. I already feel like I know what it will look like. I just really want something that's a classy execution of their design language that is befitting their flagship sedan. But the interior -- it needs to AT LEAST match the standards set by the S-class. I wouldn't expect anything less from the new LS.

I was just looking at the closeup of the LS teaser shot and looked at the headlamps. It looks like the "L" LED strip at the bottom is integrated with the headlights just like in the GS. The L strip looks like it has an interesting fillament-like design to it like the LF-CC taillamps. These fillaments look to connect to the LF-FC-like triple LED headlights.

Same! Now the exterior is predictable. After all, the Best Car's rendering was highly accurate. So now I'm very excited to see the interior too!

Press release emphasizes "visionary technology", so I am expecting highly innovative interior (with a bit of anxiety). Will the hologram tech in the LF-FC turn into reality?
Also, I hope Lexus will introduce MB's Magic Body Control-like technology with the 5LS. It's just like a Magic carpet.

 

[Gecko]

Great points, and thanks for the zoomed in image, @mordecai !

 

[mikeavelli]

I would think a LC F arriving 30 years after the original LS would be a nice present to oneself

 

[James]

Hey guys I'm thinking of going to NAIAS this year (never been to an auto show before) how many cars will Lexus have there? I mean new LS and LC I'm assuming LCH anything else to expect? Are they fun to go to? Thanks!!

 

[zeusus]

Hey guys I'm thinking of going to NAIAS this year (never been to an auto show before) how many cars will Lexus have there? I mean new LS and LC I'm assuming LCH anything else to expect? Are they fun to go to? Thanks!!

Personally auto shows are not that fun but I think being able to see the new LS and LC in person is definitely worth it.

 

[mikeavelli]

In chatting with KREW we both are hearing the interior is simply stunning. Really excited to see it in a few weeks.

Hey guys I'm thinking of going to NAIAS this year (never been to an auto show before) how many cars will Lexus have there? I mean new LS and LC I'm assuming LCH anything else to expect? Are they fun to go to? Thanks!!

This year should be exciting with the new LC and LS being shown. Detroit is super cold though this time of year lol.

 

[CIF]

In chatting with KREW we both are hearing the interior is simply stunning. Really excited to see it in a few weeks.

Have you heard anything at all about whether that includes generous use of wood trim (unlike the LC)?

 

[krew]

krew

The vehicle may be the same, but the photos are better.

View the original article post

 

[Black Dynamite]

I like these new photos and the details they reveal prove to me that the LS% will remain very faithful to the LF-LC Concept, which is a great thing.
The closer the LS5 is to the concept, the better it will do. The world wants Lexus to go bold, and the prestige luxury class NEEDS Lexus to.
BD

 

[Lexus Cohen]

 

[Madi]

I also see double wishbone front suspension, relatively back pushed engine mounting and the engine is a V engine. Now the question which one? V6 or V8? With or without turbo?

I see the opposite, I see Multi-Link front suspension similar of that on the LC :