16th Generation Toyota Crown (Sedan, Cross, Sport, Estate/Signia)
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NX 450h+, RAV4 Prime, RX 450h+, TX 550h+... GA-K definitely supports PHEV.
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It feels like ES 450h+ or ES 550h+ is a given for next gen? All of the hardware is there... I think Toyota has just prioritized PHEV in CUVs due to market demand, but it's certainly possible
I'm betting new ES is:
ES 350h (240hp)
ES 500h (367hp)
ES 450h+/ES 550h+ (302hp/??)
... no more ICE-only model.
When do we foresee the next-gen ES coming out -- 2024 MY (seems unlikely?), 2025 or later?It feels like ES 450h+ or ES 550h+ is a given for next gen? All of the hardware is there... I think Toyota has just prioritized PHEV in CUVs due to market demand, but it's certainly possible
I'm betting new ES is:
ES 350h (240hp)
ES 500h (367hp)
ES 450h+/ES 550h+ (302hp/??)
... no more ICE-only model.
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Guys, return to the Crown please
These 10 Toyota Crowns had luxurious Cadillac counterparts - Hagerty Media
The Toyota Crown is a kind of Japanese expression of the same luxury ethos that characterized Cadillacs from the 1950s to the 1990s.
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It feels like ES 450h+ or ES 550h+ is a given for next gen? All of the hardware is there... I think Toyota has just prioritized PHEV in CUVs due to market demand, but it's certainly possible
I'm betting new ES is:
ES 350h (240hp)
ES 500h (367hp)
ES 450h+/ES 550h+ (302hp/??)
... no more ICE-only model.
I think it's a safe bet that we will see a Toyota sedan first with all the powertrain you listed and then there would be no surprises with ES left when it comes out as MY25, As a matter of fact we already did with new Crown and we will se some more with new Camry which will have to have PHEV option.
That is what I thought of. But being hybrid V6TT it will be heavy.
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GA-L-based Crown Coupe or Supra with the iForce Max 3.4L + hybrid system would probably weigh more than the Tundra TRD Pro. I cannot imagine.
The iForce Max required strengthening of most of the Tundra's driveline, hence the very high weight penalty (~220kg).
The strength is already built into GA-L so the extra weight is just the hybrid components. We can think of the LS500 basically as a LS-F with underpowered engine. The hybrid components are ~180kg combined for the Crown E-Four Advanced, but the longitudinal platform doesn't need the rear eAxle so the weight penalty is more like 130kg over the standard V35, and less than 50kg over the 3.5L multistage.
A LC with the 3.4T hybrid would weigh ~2100kg while LS would weigh ~2250kg, add another 85kg for AWD system.
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That's a very good news
Camry redesign is due for next year, so new ES will debut in 2024 I believe.
Crown coupe is more gt like LC, I don't think people wanted a gt supra, supra is a sports car so not really.
Probably