16th Generation Toyota Crown (Sedan, Cross, Sport, Estate/Signia)

[Ali Manai]

The Crown?

Maybe the Century…

Crown is also a luxury sedan so the sedan should feel luxurious, toyota most probably would use the crossover to generate volumes to make a case for the crown and the others would probably be low volume high margin sales

 

[Ali Manai]

According to Japanese dealers crossover has generated a good interest but many people are more interested in the sport and sedan

 

[maiaramdan]

Ali
If you saw the 2 tone interior of the jdm variant, you will find a lot and I mean it, a lot of spaces for aluminum, carbon fiber or even wood trims

So either Toyota save it for more upscale or high performance variant or it will be available as packages or pieces trims you can buy

 

[Ali Manai]

Ali
If you saw the 2 tone interior of the jdm variant, you will find a lot and I mean it, a lot of spaces for aluminum, carbon fiber or even wood trims

So either Toyota save it for more upscale or high performance variant or it will be available as packages or pieces trims you can buy

Yeah that's what i am guessing

 

[Ali Manai]

https://s.response.jp/article/2022/07/18/359807.html
The cross has rear wheel steering

 

[Sulu]

With the replacement of the long-running Avalon (5 generations over 25+ years) by the Crown, it would seem that the Avalon name has become a liability to Toyota or at least the name has become irrelevant.

Does the Avalon name mean so little now (become so irrelevant) that American buyers would not care that its replacement has been given a new name? The Crown name may not be new to Toyota but it effectively is to American buyers, since a Toyota Crown model has not been sold here in 50 years, such that only enthusiasts know and recognize the name.

Or, at worst, does the Avalon name now have such bad connotations that it has to be thrown away, not to be used on its replacement? Throwing away an automotive model name is something expected of GM when it wants buyers to forget the truly terrible car(s) that once carried that name (e.g. Cavalier).

Does Toyota North America want buyers to forget the Avalon? Was the Avalon really that bad?

 

[spwolf]

With the replacement of the long-running Avalon (5 generations over 25+ years) by the Crown, it would seem that the Avalon name has become a liability to Toyota or at least the name has become irrelevant.

Does the Avalon name mean so little now (become so irrelevant) that American buyers would not care that its replacement has been given a new name? The Crown name may not be new to Toyota but it effectively is to American buyers, since a Toyota Crown model has not been sold here in 50 years, such that only enthusiasts know and recognize the name.

Or, at worst, does the Avalon name now have such bad connotations that it has to be thrown away, not to be used on its replacement? Throwing away an automotive model name is something expected of GM when it wants buyers to forget the truly terrible car(s) that once carried that name (e.g. Cavalier).

Does Toyota North America want buyers to forget the Avalon? Was the Avalon really that bad?

it has always meant old people cookie cut vehicle.

They are trying to make Crown more desirable and find different audience, hence the CUV shape.

This car really has little to do with Avalon, aside from them using FWD Toyota platform.

 

[bogglo]

With the replacement of the long-running Avalon (5 generations over 25+ years) by the Crown, it would seem that the Avalon name has become a liability to Toyota or at least the name has become irrelevant.

Does the Avalon name mean so little now (become so irrelevant) that American buyers would not care that its replacement has been given a new name? The Crown name may not be new to Toyota but it effectively is to American buyers, since a Toyota Crown model has not been sold here in 50 years, such that only enthusiasts know and recognize the name.

Or, at worst, does the Avalon name now have such bad connotations that it has to be thrown away, not to be used on its replacement? Throwing away an automotive model name is something expected of GM when it wants buyers to forget the truly terrible car(s) that once carried that name (e.g. Cavalier).

Does Toyota North America want buyers to forget the Avalon? Was the Avalon really that bad?

It doesn't matter as long as it has the Toyota badge. I think that's why the crown badge wont be used in the US. If you want proof look at the Venza. As long as it's priced right and good looking it will be fine. I wont be surprise if the sale is better than that of Avalon.

 

[spwolf]

https://s.response.jp/article/2022/07/18/359807.html
The cross has rear wheel steering

For Lexus folks, it is exciting for next gen Lexus built on same platform. I believe this is first time they are using DRS on FWD platform.

And yeah, even Crown sedan in Japan has had interior that is worse than Lexus. So this Crown will not have better than Lexus interior, when it comes to quality of materials.

That is why there is large price difference as well, Lexi are priced really high in JDM.

And for US market, probably to make it more affordable, there is no DRS or HUD or who knows that else (many interior choices?), to keep the pricing below ES.

 

[spwolf]

 

[Gecko]

For reference, look at the Maxima. It was once considered the "4DSC" and a performance icon among mainstream sedans... now it may as well be cancelled. The big difference is Toyota has the money and resources to try something different in the same space -- Nissan doesn't.

 

[LarryT]

The Crown?

Maybe the Century…

top-end
Definition of top-end
adjective
of or relating to the best or most expensive products of their kind: a range of top-end vehicles


The Japanese Toyota Crown & Century are both top end luxury vehicles within Toyota's lineup.

 

[ssun30]

I think this new Crown family is a return to the "old" (pre-S140) era of Crown when it was not just a luxury sedan but also included other varieties with less luxury. For the S130 generation, the regular Crown sedan (not the Royal Saloon trim) had marginally better interior than the mid-size Cresta (Cressida in USA) and the narrowbody Crown Comfort even had worse interior than the base Mark II. For an analogy, that is like the Crown interior can be anywhere between a Camry LE and Lexus ES Ultra-luxury Package.

I am increasingly confident the sedan is the new Crown Majesta. It will probably have a more luxurious interior than Lexus ES, maybe approaching the new RX. With an 8cm stretch over the S220 it will have same legroom as LS.

 

[Levi]

With the replacement of the long-running Avalon (5 generations over 25+ years) by the Crown, it would seem that the Avalon name has become a liability to Toyota or at least the name has become irrelevant.

Does the Avalon name mean so little now (become so irrelevant) that American buyers would not care that its replacement has been given a new name? The Crown name may not be new to Toyota but it effectively is to American buyers, since a Toyota Crown model has not been sold here in 50 years, such that only enthusiasts know and recognize the name.

Or, at worst, does the Avalon name now have such bad connotations that it has to be thrown away, not to be used on its replacement? Throwing away an automotive model name is something expected of GM when it wants buyers to forget the truly terrible car(s) that once carried that name (e.g. Cavalier).

Does Toyota North America want buyers to forget the Avalon? Was the Avalon really that bad?

Compared to GS, Avalon is nothing. What happened to GS again?

 

[NXracer]

Speaking on the next generation ES, its going to be the same playbook as the NX and RX. They want to expand in range, and really test their customers loyalty. With E-Axle they dont need a RWD platform to appeal to the non-enthusiast.

I also dont think they are interested in bringing back the GS-size anything. The ES will be the permanent replacement. Its size and packaging make the GS a exercise in futility in terms of expecting sales.

 

[CRSKTN]

Century is a top end luxury Chauffer vehicle from Toyota.
Lexus is the top end *owner operated* luxury vehicles from Toyota.
The Crown is a premium vehicle.
Given the competition, it’s disingenuous to say the crown is “of or relating to the best or most expensive products of their kind”.

The crown is neither of the above. It’s neither the best nor the most expensive of their kind.
By that logic the most expensive car Lada sells is a “top end luxury vehicle” as long as you only compare it to the rest of the lineup.

 

[NXracer]

Century is a top end luxury Chauffer vehicle from Toyota.
Lexus is the top end *owner operated* luxury vehicles from Toyota.
The Crown is a premium vehicle.
Given the competition, it’s disingenuous to say the crown is “of or relating to the best or most expensive products of their kind”.

The crown is neither of the above. It’s neither the best nor the most expensive of their kind.
By that logic the most expensive car Lada sells is a “top end luxury vehicle” as long as you only compare it to the rest of the lineup.

Ladas have feelings too....

 

[maiaramdan]

Century is a top end luxury Chauffer vehicle from Toyota.
Lexus is the top end *owner operated* luxury vehicles from Toyota.
The Crown is a premium vehicle.
Given the competition, it’s disingenuous to say the crown is “of or relating to the best or most expensive products of their kind”.

The crown is neither of the above. It’s neither the best nor the most expensive of their kind.
By that logic the most expensive car Lada sells is a “top end luxury vehicle” as long as you only compare it to the rest of the lineup.

It's never the most expensive always century from 60th was over it as well as Lexus LS aka Celsior from the late 80th, that said Crown had the exact same heritage in TMC just as the LandCruiser name, the LandCruiser was never the top lux in TMC because of the Cygnus aka the LX, but it still the LandCruiser and it still get the same detail whatever it's role or place in the lineup

 

[CRSKTN]

Don’t get me wrong I have deep love and appreciation for the crown!

That said in a lot of markets second hand LCs have always gone for higher than any of their other models new.

In most of the world, lasting the longest and being unstoppable is a market positioning that is extremely valuable and sought after. It’s why the LX, is in my mind still a niche product vs an Escalade competitor.

 

[LarryT]

Century is a top end luxury Chauffer vehicle from Toyota.
Lexus is the top end *owner operated* luxury vehicles from Toyota.
The Crown is a premium vehicle mid-size, top end luxury vehicle from Toyota.
Given the competition, it’s disingenuous to say the crown is “of or relating to the best or most expensive products of their kind”.

The crown is neither of the above. It’s neither the best nor the most expensive of their kind.
By that logic the most expensive car Lada sells is a “top end luxury vehicle” as long as you only compare it to the rest of the lineup.

Comprehension these days really seems to be at an all time low. 😑

kind​

noun\ ˈkīnd \
: a specific or recognized variety// What kind of car do you drive?


The Japanese Crown is Toyota's mid-size"top end" luxury sedan of KIND, which invalidates your nonsensical diatribe.