Toyota BZ4X

[larryren]

I was wondering why BZ4X officially started production last August but takes another 8 months to arrive at the market. It seems these are a special batch produced for Winter Olympics, not the final production spec.
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Same for the Coaster FCV. The commercial version will only arrive towards the end of the year.
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For Winter Olympics BZ4X I think is made by Motomachi Factory.
(Some Chinese media have been photo the Solterra's nameplate).
It using pre-production vehicle correctly.....

 

[maiaramdan]

Not bad though!

 

[larryren]

Greeting LE's Friends. Here had some screenshots from Tianjin TV news progamme.
Tianjin Goverment leaderships visited FAW-Toyota's new factory few day ago. It shown worker using pre-product BZ4X to training final assemble.
And we can see the introduction picture said "Code 031D" Chinese name not released yet, and produced jointly with GAC Toyota in China.
The sliver demo car it not equipped "yoke-style"steering wheel, I think it will be using at some trim or just a optional configuration.

 

[spwolf]

Pricing for the UK goes from 41.950GBP up to 51.550GBP (for the limited edition Premier).

Source: https://mag.toyota.co.uk/all-new-toyota-bz4x-makes-world-debut/

For reference, TMY LR starts at 54.990GBP, the RAV4 PHV goes from 42.575GBP and the UX300e starts from 41.750GBP.

Pretty good IMHO!

It is priced similar to VW and Skoda models of same battery size, but there are cheaper electrics suvs around.

Nikkei JP is reporting 60k production first fiscal year and 50k next one, that seems like very small to me.

 

[Will1991]

Do you have the source link?
50.000 BZ4X for 2023 makes no sense to me… Europe alone can buy that several times over by 2023.

 

[spwolf]

Do you have the source link?
50.000 BZ4X for 2023 makes no sense to me… Europe alone can buy that several times over by 2023.

Toyota's first mass-produced EV to skip Japanese market

New model will be subscription-only in automaker's home country

asia.nikkei.com

Under a plan provided to suppliers in late January, Toyota plans to begin production in April, targeting just under 60,000 units worldwide in fiscal 2022 -- more than the 14,000 electric vehicles it sold in 2021. It aims to make about 50,000 units in fiscal 2023.

 

[Will1991]

In my opinion… That’s a really stupid decision from TMC.

 

[spwolf]

well it might make "some" sense:
- In the USA, they might limit sales to certain states until 2025 when they plan to produce BEVs locally
- US might be more served with RZ that Europe wont get much of
- Europe might end up getting 40k-50k units first year (which is more than half of Rav4 sales in Western Europe btw), which is plenty actually and then e-tnga should be arriving in 2023 possibly which will be more suited for European tastes anyway.
- Chinese editions will be produced in China, and wont be under this 60k, 50k targets.

That is only thing that makes sense to me, I would think in California they would be able to sell a lot of these, but who am I.

 

[NXracer]

2025 is the magical target. Dare I say one should wait to enter a new TMC branded EV until then.

In my opinion… That’s a really stupid decision from TMC.

The battery capacity, and moving units below cost to grab marketshare are challenges TMC faces.

 

[spwolf]

If we think about it, they are moving from 16k bev production to probably 100k production in fiscal 2022, which is huge difference.

We just want them to be leader today, which is simply not possible.

 

[Levi]

2025 is the magical target. Dare I say one should wait to enter a new TMC branded EV until then.

The battery capacity, and moving units below cost to grab marketshare are challenges TMC faces.

It is likely to be my case anyway, because I'll wait to see where the market/world will be in three years, and because by that time electric CHR and IS should arrive, which are the car categories I am interested in.

 

[Motor]

Toyota to Provide bZ4X Customers with DC Fast Charger Access Through EVgo - Toyota USA Newsroom

PLANO, Texas (Feb. 24, 2022) – When the 2023 Toyota bZ4X battery electric SUV arrives at dealers later this year, it will come with more than just stylish looks and emissions-free utility. The all-new EV will also mark the start of a collaboration between Toyota Motor North America (Toyota) and...

pressroom.toyota.com

First drive: 2022 Toyota bZ4X prototype review | Autocar

Toyota's first production battery-electric car is a large SUV. Should Tesla and Volkswagen be worried?

www.autocar.co.uk

Toyota bZ4X Premier Edition AWD 2022 review | Auto Express

We’ve waited a while for Toyota’s first full EV, the bZ4X, but it’s been worth it

www.autoexpress.co.uk

Toyota bZ4X review: head not heart

Toyota’s first purpose-built EV won’t set pulses racing but the ownership package turns the pragmatism up to 11

www.carmagazine.co.uk

Toyota bZ4X Review 2023 | Top Gear

An extremely competent, well-built example of an EV SUV, but apart from those looks, there's no stand-out USP

www.topgear.com

Toyota bZ4X Review 2024, Price & Specs

Read the definitive Toyota bZ4X 2024 review from the expert What Car? team. Check specs, prices, performance and compare with similar cars.

www.whatcar.com

 

[Motor]

 

[NXracer]

so at least 10k ADM? The soltera has a reservation system, while the BZ4x will not?

 

[ssun30]

I you have the source link?
50.000 BZ4X for 2023 makes no sense to me… Europe alone can buy that several times over by 2023.

I think by then there will also be BZ3 and BZ6. They will use a lot of capacity so BZ4 takes a slight hit.

For FY22 they will be stuck with 6GWh/yr shared between PHVs and BEVs. They are converting a Sanyo factory they inherited from Panasonic from consumer batteries to car batteries and it will come online at the end of the year.

Behind the scenes they were planning to take over Panasonic's entire battery business and Panasonic is having none of it. That is currently their biggest hurdle towards 280GWh/yr by 2030.

 

[maiaramdan]

I am thinking TMC lost a great opportunity to build on what they did in the last 7 to 8 decades

This BZ4X need to be renamed RAV4 EV to build on RAV4 history and current hype

Same must goes with all the new EVs

 

[Will1991]

Toyota to Provide bZ4X Customers with DC Fast Charger Access Through EVgo - Toyota USA Newsroom

PLANO, Texas (Feb. 24, 2022) – When the 2023 Toyota bZ4X battery electric SUV arrives at dealers later this year, it will come with more than just stylish looks and emissions-free utility. The all-new EV will also mark the start of a collaboration between Toyota Motor North America (Toyota) and...

pressroom.toyota.com

First drive: 2022 Toyota bZ4X prototype review | Autocar

Toyota's first production battery-electric car is a large SUV. Should Tesla and Volkswagen be worried?

www.autocar.co.uk

Toyota bZ4X Premier Edition AWD 2022 review | Auto Express

We’ve waited a while for Toyota’s first full EV, the bZ4X, but it’s been worth it

www.autoexpress.co.uk

Toyota bZ4X review: head not heart

Toyota’s first purpose-built EV won’t set pulses racing but the ownership package turns the pragmatism up to 11

www.carmagazine.co.uk

Toyota bZ4X Review 2023 | Top Gear

An extremely competent, well-built example of an EV SUV, but apart from those looks, there's no stand-out USP

www.topgear.com

Toyota bZ4X Review 2024, Price & Specs

Read the definitive Toyota bZ4X 2024 review from the expert What Car? team. Check specs, prices, performance and compare with similar cars.

www.whatcar.com

It seems to be a solid car, nice to know! Not perfect, but a good all-rounder.

I think by then there will also be BZ3 and BZ6. They will use a lot of capacity so BZ4 takes a slight hit.

For FY22 they will be stuck with 6GWh/yr shared between PHVs and BEVs. They are converting a Sanyo factory they inherited from Panasonic from consumer batteries to car batteries and it will come online at the end of the year.

Behind the scenes they were planning to take over Panasonic's entire battery business and Panasonic is having none of it. That is currently their biggest hurdle towards 280GWh/yr by 2030.

That’s quite the ramp up, hope it’s a linear growth to get those TMC BEV’s on the road.

For 6GWh we could get around 100.000 BEV’s or 300.000 PHEV’s, not amazing for 2022 IMO.

I am thinking TMC lost a great opportunity to build on what they did in the last 7 to 8 decades

Agreed. They invested on HEV’s when everyone else call them mad and look now, who was right.

they had the production-ready iQ-EV by 2012 but somehow it seems they pull the brakes and stopped…. Even PHEV’s, the Prius Prime still is amazingly efficient, but we had to wait until the RAV4 Prime and now the NX450h+ to get a PHEV that most of us would like to have.

 

[Tragic Bronson]

Toyota to Provide bZ4X Customers with DC Fast Charger Access Through EVgo - Toyota USA Newsroom

PLANO, Texas (Feb. 24, 2022) – When the 2023 Toyota bZ4X battery electric SUV arrives at dealers later this year, it will come with more than just stylish looks and emissions-free utility. The all-new EV will also mark the start of a collaboration between Toyota Motor North America (Toyota) and...

pressroom.toyota.com

Compared to Electrify America, the EvGO network locations are bare in my neck of the woods

 

[NXracer]

I assume electrify america was too big of a "Diess" for Toyota to even consider partnering up with

 

[Levi]

"doesn't have a stand out USP"

What Toyota has one? What other Toyota rivals have one? Germans have badge, Tesla has Superchargers, range, performance and poor build quality. Toyota has always been "boring" bar some exceptions, Toyota will remain that way until the recipe works.