The 2019 Lexus ES 350 & ES 300h: A Technical Review


Last week, Lexus Enthusiast Editor Kevin Watts traveled to Nashville to test drive the all-new 2019 Lexus ES 350 & ES 300h hybrid. Here is a full technical overview of the new sedan, Kevin’s personal impressions will be posted next week.

It’s nearly impossible to overstate the importance of the ES sedan to the Lexus lineup. The LS may be the flagship sedan, but the ES has been the brand’s mainstream workhorse from the very beginning, with 2.18 million global sales since 1989.

The DNA of the ES sedan has always been comfort, ride quality, and spaciousness — an accessible sedan built with everyday luxury in mind. With the introduction of the latest iteration, Lexus wants to bring the car to life, bringing a serious design upgrade and adding an interesting boost in performance with the very first ES F SPORT.

As we prepare to read first drive reviews from journalists around the world, let’s dig deep into the facts with an extensive technical overview of the seventh-generation Lexus ES.

Exterior Design


Designed in Japan, the central theme of the seventh-generation Lexus ES is Provocative Elegance — here’s the progression from early sketches to the final production model:

Lexus ES Early Design Sketch

Lexus ES Design Sketch

Lexus ES Production Model

In front, the standard ES 350 & ES 300h have a grille of vertical bars that echo the design of the Lexus spindle grille:

Lexus ES Front Grille

The side profile has a lower stance than the outgoing model, with a coupish angle similar to the LS flagship — Lexus calls this the “Human Centered Silhouette”:

Lexus ES Side Profile

We can rotate through the design of the ES, ES Hybrid, and ES F SPORT with this CGI video:

Platform

At the core of the seventh-generation ES sedan is the all-new GA-K platform:

Lexus ES GL-K Platform

Compared to the current model, the new ES is longer by 2.6-inches, lower by 0.2-inches, and wider by 1.8-inches. The wheelbase has been extended by 2.0-inches, with the tracks widened by 0.4-inches in the front and 1.5-inches in the rear:

Lexus ES Dimensions

Here’s a short video illustrating the differences in size between the new ES and the current model:

Aerodynamics

The front bumper has been shaped to allow air to pass along the sides of the vehicle, while the aero stabilizing fins in the door frame molding and rear combination lamps improve stability — combined with the rear spoiler, the new ES can achieve a 0.26 co-efficient of drag:

Lexus ES Aerodynamics

Lighting

The 2019 ES will come standard with bi-LED headlights with integrated LED daytime running lights:

Lexus ES Standard Headlights

Available triple-beam LED headlamps use three compact bi-LED units and an adaptive front-lighting system that angles the lights based on steering input. LED turn signals and side marker lamps are also part of the upgrade:

Lexus ES Triple Lamp Headlights

The full-LED rear combination lamps feature a three-dimensional layered L-shaped design:

Lexus ES Rear Combination Lamps

Panoramic Moonroof

A Panoramic Moonroof is an available upgrade, with a front glass panel that opens externally and slides to the rear:

Lexus ES Panoramic Moonroof

A mesh wind deflector reduces wind noise when the front panel is open, and power-retractable shades help diffuse sunlight inside the cabin.

Wheels

The standard ES will be available with three wheel designs, including an available 18-inch noise-reducing wheel that uses a hollow section in the rim to resonate with the air in the tires, causing friction and converting sound waves to heat:

Lexus ES Standard Wheels

Hands-Free Power Trunk

Trunk space has increased by 1.5 cubic feet in the new ES, for a total of 16.7 cubic feet in both the gas & hybrid models. An available hands-free power trunk can be opened and closed by kicking under the rear bumper while carrying the smart key:

Lexus ES Power Trunk

Exterior Colors

The ES 350 & ES 300h will be available in 10 different exterior colors:

Lexus ES Colors

They are, in order with their color codes: Eminent White (085), Silver Lining Metallic (1J4), Atomic Silver (1J7), Nebula Gray Pearl (1H9), Obsidian (212), Caviar (223), Nightfall Mica (8X5), Matador Red Mica (3R1), Sunlit Green (6X0), and Moonbeam Beige Metallic (4X8).

Interior Design


Lexus ES Interior Design

The ES interior is split into two distinct zones — the driver’s side (red) is centered on easy access to all functionality, while the passenger’s side (blue) is focused on comfort and much simpler in design:

Lexus ES Interior Zones

Seating

Like the LS flagship, the ES has a two-part seating design that aligns with the armrests:

Lexus ES Seating Design

With the lower vehicle profile, the seating position has been pushed down to improve driving visibility:

Standard are 8-way power front driver and passenger seats, with an available 10-way power driver’s seat that adds lumbar and cushion length adjustment. Rear passengers can expect 39.2-inches of legroom:

Lexus ES Rear Legroom

(Some markets outside of North America will get rear temperature controls along with adjustable seat backs — expect to hear more about that shortly.)

Steering Wheel

The 3-spoke steering wheel is shared with the new LS flagship, and like the LS, the optional heated steering wheel provides warmth to the entire rim. A steering touch sensor has also been integrated to accurately detect the driver’s grip while Lane Tracing Assist (LTA) is operating.

Lexus ES Steering Wheel

Interior Colors

There are three interior colors available with the ES 350 & ES 300h: Chateau, Flaxen, and Black. All three are offered in NuLuxe, leather (with the Luxury package), and semi-aniline leather (with the Ultra-Luxury package):

Lexus ES Chateau Interior

Lexus ES Flaxen Interior

Lexus ES Black Interior

Striated Black is the standard trim, with Linear Dark Mocha wood, Linear Espresso wood, and Matte Bamboo available as options:

Lexus ES Trim Options

Meters & Instrumentation

The standard instrument panel features a 7-inch TFT LCD screen in a circular surround, with an additional multi-information display to the left of the main speed/tachometer display. Optitron-type meters are used for the water temperature and fuel gauges:

Lexus ES Instrument Panel

Heads Up Display

An available 10.2-inch color Heads-Up Display (HUD) displays a range of information onto the bottom of the windshield glass, including road speed, engine speed (rpm), gear selection, local speed limit, and other data relevant to the driver.

Lexus ES Heads Up Display

The Thin Film Transistor (TFT) backlit optical lens has a maximum brightness of 13,000 candela per square meter, and projects the image a virtual 8.2-feet ahead of the windshield.

Infotainment

A 12.3-inch multimedia display will be standard on all ES models, with navigation-equipped models offering dynamic directions by combining the on-board point-of-interest database with off-board (cloud-based) data:

Lexus ES Navigation

Apple CarPlay will be offered for the first time in a Lexus vehicle, making it easy for users to interact with iPhone-supported apps through the multimedia display. CarPlay will be available on navigation-equipped vehicles at launch, with non-navigation-equipped vehicles getting the functionality after October 1st:

Lexus ES CarPlay

In addition to CarPlay, the ES will be the first Lexus model to offer in-car access to the Amazon Alexa voice service — here’s a video detailing the functionality:

(The service will be available on Android devices at launch, with iOS following later in the fall. Some Amazon Alexa features will require an ES equipped with the Navigation system and an active subscription to Lexus Enform. )

A Qi-compatible wireless smartphone charger is an available option:

Lexus ES Qi Charger

Climate Controls

The North America-spec ES will feature two-zone automatic climate control using toggle-switches in the upper dash:

Lexus ES Climate Control

Lexus Climate Concierge is available for the first time in the ES — when activated, the system combines seat heating, HVAC and steering wheel heating (if equipped) to achieve the driver’s selected temperature.

Lexus ES Climate Concierge

Interior Illumination

LEDs are used for all interior illumination, with special attention given to nighttime ambient lighting:

Lexus ES Interior Illumination

Sound Systems

An 8-channel 10-speaker Pioneer audio system with a 296 W amplifier is the standard kit:

Lexus ES Pioneer Sound System

The audio upgrade comes in the form of a 12-channel 17-speaker Mark Levinson surround sound system with a 1800 W digital amplifier:

Lexus ES Mark Levinson Sound System

ES 350 Powertrain


Under the hood of the 2019 ES 350 is a 2GR-FKS 3.5-liter Atkinson cycle V6 with intake VVT-iW and exhaust VVT-i, rated at 302 horsepower @ 6,600 rpm and 267 lb.ft. of torque @ 4,700 rpm:

Lexus ES 350 Engine Specs
The 0-60 time is an estimated 6.6 seconds, with an manufacturer-estimated fuel economy (US MPG, city/highway/combined) of 22/33/26 for the ES 350 and 22/31/25 for the ES 350 F SPORT when running the recommended 87 octane fuel.

The ES 350 V6 is paired with a Direct Shift-8AT automatic transmission with a newly developed torque converter and multi-plate lock up clutch that Lexus claims has “has the direct feel of a dual clutch design along with the off-the-line smoothness of a traditional torque converter automatic”:

Lexus ES Transmission

The 8-speed Direct Shift transmission has a wider range of ratios designed to return improved mileage and more responsive performance:

Lexus ES Gear Ratios

ES 300h Powertrain


The gasoline portion of the ES 300h is the new A25A-FXS 2.5-liter DOHC direct injection Atkinson cycle 4-cylinder with intake VVT-iW and exhaust VVT-i, an engine that was a WardsAuto 10 Best Engines winner in the Toyota Camry Hybrid. It’s rated at 176 horsepower @ 5,700 rpm, for a total of 215 horsepower when combined with the hybrid tech:

Lexus ES 300h Hybrid Engine

The manufacturer-estimated fuel economy (mpg, city/highway/combined) for the ES 300h is 44/45/44 mpg using the recommended 87 octane fuel. The hybrid system can now deactivate the gas engine at speeds up to 75 mph (120 km/h), up from the previous system that was limited to 47 mph (75 km/h).

By reducing the size of the control circuit board and developing a new power stack, Lexus engineers have made the ES 300h Power Control Unit (PCU) 9% smaller and 22% lighter than the previous model — this allows the PCU to be mounted immediately above the transaxle:

Lexus ES Hybrid Power Control Unit

An all-new hybrid transaxle switches from coaxial arrangement of MG1 (power generation) and MG2 (drive) to a multi-axial arrangement, reducing overall length by 30mm and overall weight by 15%. The improved design also benefits from a change to a parallel shaft gear in place of the conventional planetary gear:

Lexus ES Hybrid Transaxel

The size of the nickel-metal hydride battery has been reduced, allowing it to be placed under the rear seats instead of the trunk — this increases the ES 300h’s trunk space to match the gas-powered model, while optimizing weight distribution and lowering the vehicle center of gravity:

Lexus ES Hybrid Battery

Auto Glide Control

Engineers have added something called Auto Glide Control to the ES 300h ECO mode that can automatically decelerate at a level comparable to coasting in neutral — in effect, built-in hypermilling functionality:

Lexus ES Auto Glide

Suspension & Chassis


The ES uses a MacPherson strut front suspension and a multi-link rear suspension with integrated trailing arm, both using newly developed Dynamic Control Shocks:

Lexus ES Dynamic Control Shocks

Dynamic Control Shocks generate a damping force with a non-overlapping auxiliary valve that allows damper oil to flow in either direction before entering the main valve. This action can absorb the feedback from rougher roads and smooth out the overall ride.

A new 4-point engine mounting system has utilized, with front and rear mounts installed to a vibration-dampening sub-frame, while the right and left mounts are installed to side members:

Lexus ES Engine Mounts

Vacuum-controlled hydraulic engine mounts are used for the front and rear mounts on V6 models, which allows for variable dampening depending on driving conditions.

The new ES is approximately 137 pounds (62 kg) lighter than the current model due to the greater use of lightweight materials and thinner outer panels:

Lexus ES Lightweight

To improve rigidity, Lexus engineers included a closed cowl and suspension tower brace, a ring structure with a V-brace that reinforces the area behind the rear seats, and a spot welded gusset to join the roof crossmember and outer rail:

Lexus ES Rigidity

A total of 65 ft. (19.94m) of structural adhesive and 160 laser screw welds have been used throughout the new ES to improve overall rigidity:

Lexus ES Laser Screw & Adhesive

The interior and exterior of the floorboard has been coated with sound dampening materials, bringing the noise reduction up to 93% from the 75% rating of the previous generation:

Lexus ES Sound

The ES 300h hybrid gets additional padding at the firewall designed to absorb and reflect typical hybrid sounds:

Lexus ES 300h Padding

Included with the Ultra Luxury and F SPORT packages are performance dampers at the front and rear of the vehicle, which absorb energy from the chassis for improved handling stability and ride comfort while reducing noise from vibration:

Lexus ES Performance Dampers

Brakes

Every model shares the same standard 4-wheel disc brakes with ventilated front and solid rear discs, measuring as such:

  • Front: 12.01 inches (305mm) x 1.10 inches (28mm)
  • Rear: 11.06 inches (281mm) x 0.47 inches (12mm)

Safety


The ES will debut the new Lexus Safety System + 2.0, which borrows from the advanced technologies introduced with the LS flagship — here’s a comparison with the previous safety suite:

Lexus Safety System Plus 2.0

Many of these safety features have been covered in great detail previously, so let’s focus on newer technologies like Lane Trace Assist:

The Pre-Collision System now includes nighttime pedestrian and daytime bicyclist detection, and Road Sign Assist uses the front camera to detect road signs and display them on the multi-information display and Heads-Up Display:

Lexus ES Road Sign Assist

All-Speed Dynamic Radar Cruise Control

The ES now includes All-Speed Dynamic Radar Cruise Control (DRCC) that will maintain vehicle-to-vehicle distance all the way to a stop:

Lexus ES Dynamic Cruise Control

DRCC also includes a new feature called “blinker-linked” control — when following a vehicle traveling slower than the set speed, signaling a lane change will initiate acceleration to assist with passing. This kicks in at speeds of 70 km/h (44 mph) or greater, and will not activate if there is a car in the passing lane.

Panoramic View Monitor

Also available is the Panoramic View Monitor, which displays the ES surroundings on the multimedia display by using cameras installed the front, the left and right outer mirrors, and the rear:

Lexus ES Panoramic View Monitor

There are five different modes to choose from:

  • Panoramic and Wide Front View provides a 180-degree view ahead of the vehicle using the front camera.
  • Panoramic and Side Clearance View uses images from the front & side cameras to show the vehicle from above and behind.
  • Panoramic and Cornering View displays an image from the rear of the vehicle to assist while cornering.
  • See-Through View is a rotating eye-level view around the car, as if the ES was fully transparent.
  • Moving View displays a rotating bird’s eye image.

Finally for safety, there are 10 standard air bags inside the ES:

Lexus ES Air Bags

F SPORT Package


Starting with the exterior, the ES F SPORT features a mesh front grille with a black chrome surround:

Lexus ES F SPORT Front

The black chrome accents continue to the rear trunklid, which also includes a standard rear spoiler:

Lexus ES F SPORT Rear

The F SPORT package includes 19-inch cast alloy wheels with a 235/40R19 tire:

Lexus ES F SPORT Wheels

There will be eight color choices with the ES F SPORT:

Lexus ES F SPORT Colors

They are, in order with color codes: Ultra White (083), Silver Lining Metallic (1J4), Atomic Silver (1J7), Nebula Gray Pearl (1H9), Obsidian (212), Caviar (223), Ultrasonic Blue Mica 2.0 (8X1), and Matador Red Mica (3R1).

Adaptive Variable Suspension

Lexus has included an Adaptive Variable Suspension (AVS) with the ES F SPORT package, which controls the damping force of the shock absorbers on all four wheels in response to driving operations and road surface conditions:

Lexus ES F SPORT Adaptive Variable Suspension

Interior Design

Inside, the ES F SPORT feature the same perforated leather steering wheel found in the LS F SPORT & LC coupe:

Lexus ES F SPORT Interior

The 8-inch TFT instrument cluster with movable ring is the same design shared with all Lexus F SPORT models:

Lexus ES F SPORT Gauge

The front seats in the ES F SPORT are inspired by the optional performance seats in the LC coupe:

Lexus ES F SPORT Seats

Unlike a traditional seat where a molded foam pad is covered with upholstery, the ES F SPORT seat shell is set into the mold and then filed with foam — this allows for a more aggressive design that provides better lateral support.

Interior Colors

For interior colors, there’s a choice between either Black or Circuit Red NuLuxe:

Lexus ES F SPORT Black NuLuxe

Lexus ES F SPORT Circuit Red NuLuxe

Also exclusive to the ES F SPORT is the Hadori aluminum trim, inspired by the polishing technique used on Japanese katana blades:

Lexus ES Hadori Trim

Lexus ES Hadori Closeup

Packages

There will be four packages available — Premium, Luxury, Ultra Luxury, and F SPORT:

Lexus ES Premium Package

Lexus ES Luxury Package

Lexus ES Ultra Luxury Package

Lexus ES F SPORT Package

Individual Options

• Wood-trimmed steering wheel • Heated wood-trimmed steering wheel • F SPORT steering wheel (F SPORT only) • F SPORT steering wheel with heating (F SPORT only) • Adaptive Variable Suspension (F SPORT only) • Wood interior trim • Panoramic sunroof • Hands free power trunk lid • Triple beam LED headlights with Adaptive Front lighting System (AFS) • Power rear sunshade • Head Up Display • Mark Levinson audio • Navigation (12.3-inch display) • Navigation + Mark Levinson audio • Qi wireless charging pad • Blind spot monitor • Park assist sonar • Park assist sonar with pedestrian detection and panoramic view monitor • 18-inch wheels with machine finish • 18-inch noise reduction wheels with hyper chrome finish

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Comments
Longer, lower, wider: not my idea of progress. And lumbar adjustment is no longer standard?
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Krew

Are you able to upgrade the sport model to luxury or ultra luxury to gain leather seating? The way im reading your review is the sport package comes with standard with the premium package which has nuluxe seating. I don't see an upgrade option for leather trim.
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lsu5508
Krew

Are you able to upgrade the sport model to luxury or ultra luxury to gain leather seating and wood trim? The way i'm reading your review is the sport package comes standard with the premium package which has Nuluxe seating. I don't see an upgrade option for leather trim.
I don't believe you can. You can't get luxury nor the ultra packages on ES F-Sport.

Its pretty much gonna be like this:
Base model > Premium Pack > F-Sport (Premium Pack required).
Base model > Premium Pack > Luxury Pack (Premium Pack required) > Ultra Luxury Pack (Luxury Pack required).

So basically - F-Sport only gives with NuLuxe seats.
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The f-sport exterior looks great but to me the red interior is just not attractive for an everyday car and the black or black just looks boring in the videos i have watched.. The option of leather and a different trim package would seal the deal for me on the f-sport but now i am left having to choose one or the other.
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lsu5508
The f-sport exterior looks great but to me the red interior is just not attractive for an everyday car and the black or black just looks boring in the videos i have watched.. The option of leather and a different trim package would seal the deal for me on the f-sport but now i am left having to choose one or the other.
Its pretty pick and choose, in this case. If you want luxury or sporty appearance. Similar how Acura TLX/RDX won't let you Advance Pack if you do A-Spec.

Now obviously its your money, but my advice would be to option for the Luxury or Ultra Luxury and skip the F-Sport if you want a 2019 ES.

The F-Sport ES is pretty much just all appearance. There's only a subtle difference between the F-Sport ES to the Luxury ES in driving dynamics. With that being said - the Lexus ES is also weighed down by its own weight, front wheel drive and a MacPherson suspension set-up. With a 0-60 time of 6.6 seconds (respectable) but in context, its slow for a V6, because the Lexus IS300 Turbo (with less HP does it in 6.9 seconds).
What I'm basically saying is - the F-Sport package is just not worth it, especially on a FWD car. The Lexus ES F-Sport won't beat anyone in a drag, doesn't handle like a RWD car in the hills/track, its big (so not nimble), and basically just not sporty - its just sporty looking. You are better off optioning for the luxury package and enjoy more comfort and luxurious features because that's what the Lexus ES is about.

Similarity - the Lexus LS500. The F-Sport model restricts you from getting the Executive Package with Kiriko Glass (hand-cut glass door panels). With a car like the Lexus LS, you would want the Executive Pack and skip the F-Sport because the F-Sport won't do it justice.
Sakura
Its pretty pick and choose, in this case. If you want luxury or sporty appearance. Similar how Acura TLX/RDX won't let you Advance Pack if you do A-Spec.

Now obviously its your money, but my advice would be to option for the Luxury or Ultra Luxury and skip the F-Sport if you want a 2019 ES.

The F-Sport ES is pretty much just all appearance. There's only a subtle difference between the F-Sport ES to the Luxury ES in driving dynamics. With that being said - the Lexus ES is also weighed down by its own weight, front wheel drive and a MacPherson suspension set-up. With a 0-60 time of 6.6 seconds (respectable) but in context, its slow for a V6, because the Lexus IS300 Turbo (with less HP does it in 6.9 seconds). That's only a .3 second difference!
What I'm basically saying is - the F-Sport package is just not worth it, especially on a FWD car. The Lexus ES F-Sport won't beat anyone in a drag, doesn't handle like a RWD car in the hills/track, its big (so not nimble), and basically just not sporty - its just sporty looking. You are better off optioning for the luxury package and enjoy more comfort and luxurious features because that's what the Lexus ES is about.

Similarity - the Lexus LS500 too. The F-Sport model restricts you from getting the Executive Package with Kiriko Glass (hand-cut glass door panels). With a car like the Lexus LS, you would want the Executive Pack and skip the F-Sport because the F-Sport won't do it justice.
It is not black or white... F-Sport is fine if you want sportier ES, it is not a sports car, but goes and handles well according to all the reviews.
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spwolf
It is not black or white... F-Sport is fine if you want sportier ES, it is not a sports car, but goes and handles well according to all the reviews.
You are not wrong it just sucks that you cant have the high end interior with the f-sport. Just because i want a great handling car does not mean i dont want leather seats and an attractive trim package.
Amazing report
But honestly my eye catcher was this
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Dreaming if they turn this exactly as the next GS
Sakura
The F-Sport ES is pretty much just all appearance. There's only a subtle difference between the F-Sport ES to the Luxury ES in driving dynamics. With that being said - the Lexus ES is also weighed down by its own weight, front wheel drive and a MacPherson suspension set-up. With a 0-60 time of 6.6 seconds (respectable) but in context, its slow for a V6, because the Lexus IS300 Turbo (with less HP does it in 6.9 seconds). That's only a .3 second difference!
It's funny how Lexus posts overestimated acceleration figures for RWD cars but underestimated figures for FWD cars. The 5ES and 6ES are already tested to beat that number. Generally the ES350 are doing high-5s or low-6s, 1 second faster than the official number, with the 270hp 2GR-FE. On the other hand the LS500 is known to underdeliver by almost 1 second.

I doubt the 7ES will beat the 6ES by 0.5s (suggested by the official numbers) since the 6ES is already traction-limited. That extra horsepower seems to only cause more wheelspin on the 7ES, a good reason for them to add AWD. 5.8s is like the magic barrier that prevents FWD vehicles from getting any quicker, since weight transfer reduces grip at the front axle. One would need some special engineering tricks like those on the Type-R to get below that number. The new engine is mostly about fuel economy and wide power band.

Sakura
What I'm basically saying is - the F-Sport package is just not worth it, especially on a FWD car. The Lexus ES F-Sport won't beat anyone in a drag, doesn't handle like a RWD car in the hills/track, its big (so not nimble), and basically just not sporty - its just sporty looking. You are better off optioning for the luxury package and enjoy more comfort and luxurious features because that's what the Lexus ES is about.
You missed the point. F-sport is exactly about the appearance. It has a very high take rate because people just want a fancier exterior. For the same reason M Sport, AMG Sport, and S-line packages are very popular among BBA buyers. The NX and RX have nothing to do with handling dynamics or speed but they have F-sport packages anyway. It's a sad thing to happen but that's the way it is.

Sakura
Similarity - the Lexus LS500 too. The F-Sport model restricts you from getting the Executive Package with Kiriko Glass (hand-cut glass door panels). With a car like the Lexus LS, you would want the Executive Pack and skip the F-Sport because the F-Sport won't do it justice.
This has been brought up on this forum over and over again, but it doesn't seem Lexus will change their approach since F-Sport packages are selling so well. Again, it's a sad thing to happen but that's the way it is.
Another amazing job by Krew. I think all my questions are answered in that review.
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spwolf
It is not black or white... F-Sport is fine if you want sportier ES, it is not a sports car, but goes and handles well according to all the reviews.
Agree to disagree for this, I guess. I see it as more black and white for the Lexus ES because they are forcing you to either have F-Sport or Luxury Pack. It'll be less Black and White if they let you mix-package it. I would have loved it if we could get the Luxury Pack on top of the F-Sport pack. But they are making you choose Sport or Luxury - to me that's black/white. Either Apple or Orange.

Agreed. Its not a sports car - it never was meant to be one. That's why in my opinion, I see the luxury packages as more valuable and worth wild compared to the F-Sport. Some of the bells and whistles on both the Luxury and Ultra Luxury Pack seems more worth it to me than the F-Sport.

True. Overall review says the ES handles pretty decent for a FWD. However - from the reviews I saw - majority of them said the F-Sport + Sport+ mode changes were subtle, at best, changes to the handling. This is why, in my opinion, I would prefer the Lexus ES Luxury Pack. Similarly - I would prefer the Lexus LS with the Executive Pack with Kiriko (not available on F-Sport.) For these cars, I want the car to make me feel like home. If I wanted a F-Sport Lexus that's in the 50K, I'll get a IS350 F-Sport and skip the luxury stuff for the IS.

ssun30
1)It's funny how Lexus posts overestimated acceleration figures for RWD cars but underestimated figures for FWD cars. The 5ES and 6ES are already tested to beat that number. Generally the ES350 are doing high-5s or low-6s, 1 second faster than the official number, with the 270hp 2GR-FE. On the other hand the LS500 is known to underdeliver by almost 1 second.

2)I doubt the 7ES will beat the 6ES by 0.5s (suggested by the official numbers) since the 6ES is already traction-limited. That extra horsepower seems to only cause more wheelspin on the 7ES, a good reason for them to add AWD. 5.8s is like the magic barrier that prevents FWD vehicles from getting any quicker, since weight transfer reduces grip at the front axle. One would need some special engineering tricks like those on the Type-R to get below that number. The new engine is mostly about fuel economy and wide power band.

3)You missed the point. F-sport is exactly about the appearance. It has a very high take rate because people just want a fancier exterior. For the same reason M Sport, AMG Sport, and S-line packages are very popular among BBA buyers. The NX and RX have nothing to do with handling dynamics or speed but they have F-sport packages anyway. It's a sad thing to happen but that's the way it is.

4) This has been brought up on this forum over and over again, but it doesn't seem Lexus will change their approach since F-Sport packages are selling so well. Again, it's a sad thing to happen but that's the way it is.
Ssun30, I numbered your quote to make it easier to reply to :)

1) Thanks for that info. I never knew that. I thought it was a bit odd the 19 Lexus ES350 with the 2GR-FKS can only run 6.6 seconds to 60. I assume it'll be a tad bit slower than the Camry XSE due to weight probably.

2) Agreed. The wheel-spin alone will be a good reason for them to add AWD. However - this is from a car enthusiast's perspective. From my experience of being a heavy Toyota shareholder, Toyota doesn't really make choices for the car enthusiast. They make most of their decision for the share-holder and what will generate more profit. If they feel like the AWD will sell and is it needed, they'll add it.
But I don't think they will because its not needed from the business side. The ES target demographic is highly unlikely to floor it to a point where wheel-spin occur. ES target demographic isn't demanding AWD - only car enthusiasts are. Adding AWD will also increase the price of the ES on the top end, which they don't want to do. You know they were anal about the price when they were already hell-bent at keeping it under 40K for base price. And because the ES is pretty much a Camry/Avalon, they would have to add AWD to all three cars - not just the ES.

3) I wasn't suggesting that F-Sport models aren't good. I was suggesting, solely from the car enthusiasts perspective, the Ultra Luxury Pack will be better served for the ES than the F-Sport because the F-Sport doesn't really improve its overall handling. From the reviews I saw, there is only a subtle change/improvement to the ES handling. And to me, that's not worth the insane (near LS-like) features on the Ultra Luxury Pack.
But - the M Sport, AMG Line, and S-Line packages don't restrict you from getting the fancier luxury features. German's build are very liquid, you can option anything and pack anything regardless of design packages. However - Lexus and Acura restricts you.
Obviously - if an Ultra Luxury Pack F-Sport exist - I would love that. It would be amazing. But it doesn't, and since it doesn't, I personally would be more incline to take the Ultra Luxury Pack because I don't see a use in a F-Sport ES.
Sakura
But I don't think they will because its not needed from the business side. The ES target demographic is highly unlikely to floor it to a point where wheel-spin occur. ES target demographic isn't demanding AWD - only car enthusiasts are. Adding AWD will also increase the price of the ES on the top end, which they don't want to do. You know they were anal about the price when they were already hell-bent at keeping it under 40K for base price. And because the ES is pretty much a Camry/Avalon, they would have to add AWD to all three cars - not just the ES.
ES target demographic will surely want AWD. As many reviewers pointed out, premium buyers want AWD for that security factor; it's not entirely about performance. Once current generation GS is discontinued, Lexus will have no substitute to offer in Northern U.S. not to mention Canada where AWD is a must. Therefore they will be offering AWD on ES. It's evident from the floor hump in the second row. Toyota representatives always say "we are investigating it" regardless of whether they are really doing it.
ssun30
You missed the point. F-sport is exactly about the appearance. It has a very high take rate because people just want a fancier exterior. For the same reason M Sport, AMG Sport, and S-line packages are very popular among BBA buyers. The NX and RX have nothing to do with handling dynamics or speed but they have F-sport packages anyway. It's a sad thing to happen but that's the way it is.


This has been brought up on this forum over and over again, but it doesn't seem Lexus will change their approach since F-Sport packages are selling so well. Again, it's a sad thing to happen but that's the way it is.
Well, as krew said, it handles and feels better... it is not just about appearance, unlike german packages where you can buy just external package without any other changes.

So in fact, Lexus F-Sport is actually a lot more comprehensive package than just standard M Sport, AMG Sport and S-Line.
Sakura
3) I wasn't suggesting that F-Sport models aren't good. I was suggesting, solely from the car enthusiasts perspective, the Ultra Luxury Pack will be better served for the ES than the F-Sport because the F-Sport doesn't really improve its overall handling. From the reviews I saw, there is only a subtle change/improvement to the ES handling. A
but it does heavily effect handling and I bet when you try it you will discover that, just like @krew did.
For what it's worth, here's Autoblog's review. Seems that Jonathon Klein is one of their newest reviewers. I liked his Nissan Kicks review, but his ES review is kinda meh:

https://www.autoblog.com/2018/06/07/lexus-es-first-drive-review-entry-level-luxury-that-wants-to-h/
Joaquin Ruhi
For what it's worth, here's Autoblog's review. Seems that Jonathon Klein is one of their newest reviewers. I liked his Nissan Kicks review, but his ES review is kinda meh:

https://www.autoblog.com/2018/06/07/lexus-es-first-drive-review-entry-level-luxury-that-wants-to-h/
I want to buy a Camry that has that same steering wheel and same instrumentation, lol. In fact, it is LS steering wheel and instrumentation, seems like someone got confused.
lsu5508
You are not wrong it just sucks that you cant have the high end interior with the f-sport. Just because i want a great handling car does not mean i dont want leather seats and an attractive trim package.I’m going to reserve judgment until I see it in person though.
NuLuxe doesn't bug me at all, though I've never owned a car with it. I have to say, the Ultra White ES F SPORT with the red interior is out of this world. Would buy that car in a second.

ssun30
Another amazing job by Krew. I think all my questions are answered in that review.
Just wish I had more information for markets outside of North America. Should have something next week.
Joaquin Ruhi
For what it's worth, here's Autoblog's review. Seems that Jonathon Klein is one of their newest reviewers. I liked his Nissan Kicks review, but his ES review is kinda meh:

https://www.autoblog.com/2018/06/07/lexus-es-first-drive-review-entry-level-luxury-that-wants-to-h/
We're also not convinced that the interior is different enough from the Toyota Camry and Avalon to justify its expected price premium — Lexus was fuzzy with the numbers but gave us a ballpark. Though the ES does receive a new trim texture based on the finishes of a samurai's katana, if you were to compare interior shots of the Camry and the ES side by side, you'd find that the steering wheel, instrument display, starter button, transmission shifter, and lower console are interchangeable. It's only the infotainment screens, and some slightly higher-quality materials such as the leather seats, that differ significantly.

This interior parts-sharing quandary has always been a fact of life for the ES, but these days it's hard not to drive an ES and cast a glance at the Avalon, if you can get past the badge. What's more, recent Lexus models like the LC 500 have really impressed us with excellent materials, design, craftsmanship, and attention to detail, and it's disappointing that more of the LC's special sauce didn't make it to the ES.
I suppose the Camry and ES share the same interior -- I mean, both have steering wheels, instrument panels, seats, doors handles, some buttons, a glovebox, a center console, pedals.

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Sakura
Agreed. For us car enthusiasts, if we were have to must have an ES, the F-Sport is the one to buy. But - I feel like for the target demographics of the ES - the Premium Pack to Luxury Package will be the most popular trim to buy.
Agreed, but one thing to note. Remember when they announced the F sport package on the RX and everyone laughed, said it was unnecessary and that nobody would buy it? Look now! ES F-Sport could prove to be very popular, IMO.
lsu5508
The f-sport exterior looks great but to me the red interior is just not attractive for an everyday car and the black or black just looks boring in the videos i have watched.. The option of leather and a different trim package would seal the deal for me on the f-sport but now i am left having to choose one or the other. I cant see myself spending 40k-50k on a car and not getting a basic luxury amenity like leather seats. I understand the market for each car is different but i have to imagine there are alot of people that want some of both.
This is one of my biggest frustrations with F Sport, especially on the LS and some more expensive models. I do not want entry level looking aluminum trim on a $100k flagship sedan. And quite frankly, I'd like something other than red or black leather, too. Lexus needs to offer some other trim options like open poor woods, smoked/black woods, etc or allow F Sport to be added to other packages like you note. The aluminum has been an economy car trim for almost two decades now... it's got to go.
krew
Just wish I had more information for markets outside of North America. Should have something next week.
Things that I forgot to ask: how do the low profile tyres (w/19-inch) on the F-Sport affect ride quality? Is there a notable difference in harshness and road noise compared to the high profile tyres (w/17 or 18-inch)? What compound does the F-Sport use? Is it sport softs, or hard long-lifes? Does the hybrid use low rolling-resistance tyres?
spwolf
I want to buy a Camry that has that same steering wheel and same instrumentation, lol. In fact, it is LS steering wheel and instrumentation, seems like someone got confused.
krew
I suppose the Camry and ES share the same interior -- I mean, both have steering wheels, instrument panels, seats, doors handles, some buttons, a glovebox, a center console, pedals, a stereo, cup holders.

Maybe he meant similar color schemes??
FWIW, at least one, if not more of the post-review comments blasted Autoblog's Klein for those stupid comments.
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ssun30
ES target demographic will surely want AWD. As many reviewers pointed out, premium buyers want AWD for that security factor; it's not entirely about performance. Once current generation GS is discontinued, Lexus will have no substitute to offer in Northern U.S. not to mention Canada where AWD is a must. Therefore they will be offering AWD on ES. It's evident from the floor hump in the second row. Toyota representatives always say "we are investigating it" regardless of whether they are really doing it.
What do you mean security factor? You mean traction?

I watched a couple review and read a couple on the Lexus ES too. The general opinion among car enthusiasts is we want an AWD Lexus ES. However - as some reviews noted - the AWD system will help the car from wheel-spinning but they also mention the typical ES driver will not push it that hard where wheel-spin occurs. So the typical average Lexus ES driver doesn't need it. (I'm strictly talking about the US-Market by the way. The main demographics for the ES is an older buyer that is at least 50+ years of age - for the US.)

According to sales numbers since 2002: the Lexus ES consumers don't seem to care (want) AWD. They averaged high 40K to 70K in yearly unit sales without AWD since 2002. As for Canada - the Lexus ES peaked sales was in 2007 at 4000 units. Then every other year - the Lexus ES averages 2000 to 3000 units per year. Its safe to say, Canadian market is not priority to Lexus. Also - Canadian market has been averaging 2000 to 3000 sales per year consistently with FWD so I don't think its at a point where Lexus really feels they need to add FWD.
I also personally think a AWD Lexus ES is bad choice as a snow car. I would get a Audi or Subaru for that. Or an Acura with SH-AWD.
I also think the GS needed an AWD option because it was RWD base. FWD does pretty well in the snow.

The floor hump in the second row is poor evidence though because the Camry and Avalon has a second row hump as well. It could really just mean its a design que. Unless they are planning to add AWD to the Camry, Avalon and the ES? Which is unlikely.
What I mean by design que is: Toyota is trying to make their cars more sporty - a second row hump just looks more sporty in design language. It separates it from the Corolla and etc...
Another example: The 1G and 2G Acura TSX had the second row hump. The 3G TL has it as well. None of them had AWD offered to them. The rumor back in 2007 was the Acura TSX will get the RDX Turbo + AWD in the 2G because of the second row hump. Nothing happened. Another K24 N/A engine + FWD.

Agreed. "We are investigating it" is a loose phrase to not stir media. It can allow them to go yay or nay. We really can't tell what they mean by that phrase, hell, they could have just said it and not be doing anything at all.

These are just my opinions and assumption for Toyota, anyways. They haven't been making cars in the car enthusiasts mind-set for a long time. This is why TMC is so rich.

spwolf
Well, as krew said, it handles and feels better... it is not just about appearance, unlike german packages where you can buy just external package without any other changes.

So in fact, Lexus F-Sport is actually a lot more comprehensive package than just standard M Sport, AMG Sport and S-Line.
The F-Sport model does handles and feels better than the standard ES. I agree. Its because of the different tuning of the suspensions. However - many reviewers I read - they notice its only a subtle change because the handling is some compromised by the FWD. That's where I'm just basing everything from.

krew
I suppose the Camry and ES share the same interior -- I mean, both have steering wheels, instrument panels, seats, doors handles, some buttons, a glovebox, a center console, pedals, a stereo, cup holders.

Maybe he meant similar color schemes??
From what I took from the Autoblog review, I think he means the interior is similarity put together (as in the location of everything is pretty much the same - interchangeable). But overall - I really have no clue what hes talking about.... Lol. But - benefit of the doubt - I do see some "Camry-ness" if I stare at it for long enough.

Gecko
Agreed, but one thing to note. Remember when they announced the F sport package on the RX and everyone laughed, said it was unnecessary and that nobody would buy it? Look now! ES F-Sport could prove to be very popular, IMO.
Agreed. +1 Good point. However - I think the biggest attractiveness to current line-up of F-Sport models is the digital gauges. With the new Lexus that are coming out, they'll be offering both digital gauges and LFA style gauges. I believe the Lexus RX packaging isn't also as restrictive as the ES because you can have leather seats on the Lexus RX F-Sport.
As to the AWD, while all the rumors say it is coming, lets keep in mind that AWD take rate is something like 8% in the USA and much less in Europe.
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spwolf
As to the AWD, while all the rumors say it is coming, lets keep in mind that AWD take rate is something like 8% in the USA and much less in Europe.
+1 Good info to know. While I never really thought about it, its true. The USA AWD take-rate is pretty low.
Krew, I want to thank you for your very thorough review. All my questions have been answered.
I don't want to incline you towards a new ES300h review from a Polish guy. His name is Pertyn Ględzi. I will tell you only that I like how he gives the sensation of acceleration from a camera being fitted at the driver's side windscreen pointing towards the cabin. Of course video has English subs.
Sakura
+1 Good info to know. While I never really thought about it, its true. The USA AWD take-rate is pretty low.
Now i'm no expert in sales and marketing...but I would think that AWD uptake would increase if they cull the GS. I know GS sales are not through the roof. But there will be IS owners wanting bigger cars but not necessarily looking at the SUV offerings being left without any viable options. They are not going to step down into a FWD. I mean yes, in the real world, FWD and RWD makes almost no difference to the driving experience. But luxury cars are not just about practicality right?

I also believe that the hump there is not just aesthetic. The GA-K platform does support AWD. As seen in the Toyota CH-R and upcoming RAV4 lexus UX and future Toyota/lexus SUVs like the next generation RX and NX. There was also rumours of a hotted up camry a while back (https://www.caradvice.com.au/603430/hotted-up-toyota-camry-chief-engineer-loves-the-idea/ ...i'm Australian...). And yes there are a lot of differences but at the end of the day, the drivetrains are pretty much the same. So there is still hope right?

Boy wouldn't it be awesome to have a more powerful ES...roughly 250kw AWD...10 speed...i'm not asking for too much right? Also gimme rear seet warmers and double wishbone front suspension...it seems such a waste to have such a beautiful car hindered by FWD...Australians get it even worse. Just two grades, no F-sport and no V6. such a shame.
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thtupid
Now i'm no expert in sales and marketing...but I would think that AWD uptake would increase if they cull the GS. I know GS sales are not through the roof. But there will be IS owners wanting bigger cars but not necessarily looking at the SUV offerings being left without any viable options. They are not going to step down into a FWD. I mean yes, in the real world, FWD and RWD makes almost no difference to the driving experience. But luxury cars are not just about practicality right?

I also believe that the hump there is not just aesthetic. The GA-K platform does support AWD. As seen in the Toyota CH-R and upcoming RAV4 lexus UX and future Toyota/lexus SUVs like the next generation RX and NX. There was also rumours of a hotted up camry a while back (https://www.caradvice.com.au/603430/hotted-up-toyota-camry-chief-engineer-loves-the-idea/ ...i'm Australian...). And yes there are a lot of differences but at the end of the day, the drivetrains are pretty much the same. So there is still hope right?

Boy wouldn't it be awesome to have a more powerful ES...roughly 250kw AWD...10 speed...i'm not asking for too much right? Also gimme rear seet warmers and double wishbone front suspension...it seems such a waste to have such a beautiful car hindered by FWD...Australians get it even worse. Just two grades, no F-sport and no V6. such a shame.
Not necessarily. The Lexus ES's core demographic is a male of 50 years of age or older. Its also - these likely owners are current Lexus ES owners or Camry/Avalon owners looking for a change. This shows evidence that the Lexus ES is in no demand of a AWD because sales of the previous were insanely good without AWD. With no complaints or demands for it from core consumers. The only reason why anyone is saying "AWD ES" is because of the rumors of the GS going away and these are from minority of people or enthusiasts.

The problem is: GS owners or potential GS buyers will not "drop a tier" to go buy an AWD ES. Its more likely GS owners will bail on the Lexus brand and go German. A lot of CL (ClubLexus) GS owners are saying this. And it make sense. A RWD owner wouldn't substitute having RWD for AWD.

Similarity, to the Lexus IS. Majority of IS owners are younger and want something entry-level + sporty + RWD. The Lexus IS loaded will be cheaper by at least by a couple thousand compared to a AWD ES.

Sure - maybe a little bit of the IS/GS owners will be in the minority and go to the ES. But the question is: how much money will Lexus make from an AWD ES? Will it be worth for the little bit extra of sales? You likely won't get enough GS and IS owners to buy the ES to make developing an AWD worth it. Especially since the USA market is on a SUV craze and the sedan is already facing tough competition. An AWD SUV will make more sense too because it has more clearance.

The hump, of course, is not purely aesthetics. The GA-K platform does support AWD. But Toyota is pretty much catching up in this department. Many FWD cars had humps for the exhaust pipes since the early 2000s. The Acura TSX had a hump and was never offered AWD.

Of course - it would be awesome. As car enthusiasts, we would love to see it. As a car enthusiasts, I would love to see an ES AWD with a Turbo engine. As a Toyota shareholder, an AWD Turbo ES would be bad business. An AWD will not generate enough return to create enough profits. It'll be a waste of development cash. A Turbo ES will damage the core image of the ES - will deter sales from mass consumers in favor of enthusiasts, which isn't the driving force of profits.
Sakura
The hump, of course, is not purely aesthetics. The GA-K platform does support AWD. But Toyota is pretty much catching up in this department. Many FWD cars had humps for the exhaust pipes since the early 2000s. The Acura TSX had a hump and was never offered AWD.

Of course - it would be awesome. As car enthusiasts, we would love to see it. As a car enthusiasts, I would love to see an ES AWD with a Turbo engine. As a Toyota shareholder, an AWD Turbo ES would be bad business. An AWD will not generate enough return to create enough profits. It'll be a waste of development cash. A Turbo ES will damage the core image of the ES - will deter sales from mass consumers in favor of enthusiasts, which isn't the driving force of profits.
1) First point is false. The hump is much more pronounced than a regular exhaust hump. The height is what you'd expect from a RWD or AWD car. If they didn't prepare it for the axle then they are just wasting valuable leg room in the rear.

2) Nobody is saying they are making an AWD Turbo ES, just an AWD ES in general. 8% take rate is just a statistic without context. In what segment? In which area? On what type of vehicle? Is there a year-to-year trend that suggests it is staying that way? I would like to hear about the details. There are areas in North America where AWD is a must. What you are saying is they should stop selling the ES sedan in these areas because there aren't any ES buyers or potential ES buyers there, which makes between 1% and 50% sense.

Oh also on the matter of turbo, they will replace the 3.5 V6 with a turbo at some point if only to reduce fuel consumption. It has nothing to do with the core image of the car, or trying to favor the enthusiasts for that matter (seriously, what kind of enthusiast would choose a turbo 4 vs. a naturally aspirated V6?). In fact replacing V6s with turbo 4s is all it took Toyota and Lexus to drastically increase sales in regions that favor turbo engines like China. Not having a turbo 4 on the ES is restricting how high they can reach in China; they are confined to the lower end of the premium segment with the 2.5 and 2.5 hybrid.

By the way they have already made the R&D investment in multiple AWD systems and integration of AWD with GA-K. I would call engineering a LC-F or LS-F a bigger waste of development cash because these two programs are almost guaranteed to lose money. If we take the argument even further, to optimize their business results, all the company really need to invest in are crossovers. The fact that even the most optimized automaker in the world does not run an seemingly optimized strategy means the bean counters earning six-figures are analyzing things with much more depth than we could.

To bring an end to this AWD discussion (seriously, it has been brought up way too many times in this forum that it needs to end), I would say let's just wait and see. The ES lineup is surely not complete at this point but honestly I don't care. The ES300h is really the sweet spot.

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