Toyota EV/eTNGA Rumor Thread

[CRSKTN]

That Lexus render has been confirmed to be a large-size sedan. But at 240k/year it can NOT be the LS.

GS to return as the BEV alternative to ES?

They also have very high sales target for the BZ5X/Lexus TZ.
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Is it model or plarform sales targets?
Maybe 240k sedan format sales per year on the platform.

 

[Gor134]

My takeaway is either the IS is under compact due to the euro-segment "Compact-exec" or is being grouped with the large cars due to "Large RWD" platform? Don't get my hopes up for a next-gen ICEV IS 😭

 

[ssun30]

IS-sized BEV is missing???

No. This chart only shows the 6 models being produced in the new BEV Factory. The IS EV could be produced in a separate facility converted from an ICEV line.

 

[Motor]

Toyota’s advanced battery technology roadmap

Three new liquid electrolyte battery technologies to deliver higher power, longer range, faster charging and lower costSolid-state breakthrough shifts development focus to mass productionBattery height reduction technology key to driving range improvements

newsroom.toyota.eu

• Three new liquid electrolyte battery technologies to deliver higher power, longer range, faster charging and lower cost
• Solid-state breakthrough shifts development focus to mass production
• Battery height reduction technology key to driving range improvements

 

[internalaudit]

So many on GCR saying all this is BS from Toyota haha.

Anxiously anticipating 2027 and beyond models for battery longevity.

 

[NVlaar]

So many on GCR saying all this is BS from Toyota haha.

Anxiously anticipating 2027 and beyond models for battery longevity.

Whats GCR? Yeah, even myself (big TMC fanboy) is kinda doubtful. Too good to be true but we will see. Fingers crossed.

 

[F1 Silver Arrows]

Whats GCR? Yeah, even myself (big TMC fanboy) is kinda doubtful. Too good to be true but we will see. Fingers crossed.

Green Car Reports.

 

[ssun30]

They are clearing a very low bar so I believe the percentage numbers. In one review the RZ450e only managed 120mi of highway cruising range Improving that by 100% in 2028 makes that just 240mi.

 

[Motor]

 

[ES300h]

Wow Toyota blatantly copying Tesla, big brain moves there.

 

[CRSKTN]

Wow Toyota blatantly copying Tesla, big brain moves there.

Toyota is a global master in production. They operate on a step change of scale vs tesla. Im much more excited about beancounters delivering this stuff vs pompous showmen who promise new things around the corner every other day.

 

[ES300h]

I'm not convinced yet that the giga castings have any benefits to the buyer/consumer. They are great for production yes, maybe even save money. But, in the. event of an accident who pays? Insurance. So people's insurance rates will be much higher on "cast" vehicles in the long run. Repair bills will be huge and repair times might even be terrible because can you imagine shipping and auto body places replacing such large components?

 

[Ian Schmidt]

Toyota has historically had pretty affordable OEM parts, even compared to Detroit. I think for something like this casting the parts will be relatively affordable, and I don't see shipping being a major problem since even a full upper body assembly will fit many times over in a standard sized semi or train car, but the labor is an open question. If it's designed with that in mind it could actually be pretty cheap. If it's like the old Toyota/Lexus V8s with the starter in the "V" of the engine underneath the intake, all bets are off.

 

[qtb007]

I'm not convinced yet that the giga castings have any benefits to the buyer/consumer. They are great for production yes, maybe even save money. But, in the. event of an accident who pays? Insurance. So people's insurance rates will be much higher on "cast" vehicles in the long run. Repair bills will be huge and repair times might even be terrible because can you imagine shipping and auto body places replacing such large components?

I have some experience with casting heads and blocks. The more material, the more difficult it is to control porosity. How do they confirm porosity in a gigacasting? 100% scanning in areas that are expected to fracture in a certain way during crash testing? Or lot release with cut checks? With sheet metal making up the structure of a unibody, it's pretty easy to visually confirm if the welds are in place and if the sheet metal is the right shape/size with online gaging. Is that possible with gigacasting? Its definitely a new/different challenge. With blocks and heads, they either leak or they don't. The wall thickness of a cylinder block water jacket doesn't change the crashworthiness of a vehicle because that entire assembly breaks at the engine mounts. Suspension pickup points with high porosity on a large, cast subframe could have much lower strength and thus fail differently than how the crash testing says it should.