Tesla - Brand Perception/Opinions

[IS-SV]

The discount on new Model 3 sedans and Model Y sport utility vehicles is double what the company was offering earlier this month. It mirrors an anticipated change in how much of a tax credit certain consumers will be eligible for early next year. Free supercharging is small potatoes for Tesla (with an expiration date), but customers lap it up.

Tesla vehicles were expected to be in line for $3,750 tax credits starting in January as part of changes that the Inflation Reduction Act made to federal incentives for electric vehicles. That changed this week when the US Treasury Department announced it was delaying guidance on new battery content requirements. Postponing those restrictions likely will make certain EV models eligible for a full $7,500 credit early next year.

Many (upper income) CA customers are taking the discount and taking delivery in December, a sure thing when compared to qualifying for fed incentives.

 

[Och]

 

[LS500-18]

I see stories like this pretty much daily as I stay on top of the auto industry daily. I don’t understand why they still produce such crap.

 

[Tragic Bronson]

Tesla Only Has About 70 Model 3s & Ys Left for Sale in US in 2022 as Purchase Discounts Have Had Super Effect

Demand for the Tesla Model 3 and Model Y vehicles is through the roof in the US after the company announced a purchase discount. At the moment, Tesla only has about 70 vehicles left for sale in the US in 2022 as the purchase discounts have had a super effect.

www.tesmanian.com

 

[CRSKTN]

🙄

 

[Och]

If you read up on the /r/electricvehicles, the public electric charging infrastructure is turning out to be a complete clusterpluck, and virtually useless in the cold weather. It will likely get even worse as things age.

Seems like only Tesla has the competence to provide adequate charging network, and while their cars are essentially poorly built Sentra level econoboxes, they are the most viable for many years to come.

 

[Tragic Bronson]

Tesla Only Has About 70 Model 3s & Ys Left for Sale in US in 2022 as Purchase Discounts Have Had Super Effect

Demand for the Tesla Model 3 and Model Y vehicles is through the roof in the US after the company announced a purchase discount. At the moment, Tesla only has about 70 vehicles left for sale in the US in 2022 as the purchase discounts have had a super effect.

www.tesmanian.com

Focus: Tesla used car price bubble pops, weighs on new car demand

Tesla buyers who waited months for their new car have had an unusual choice for much of the past two years: keep the new electric vehicle, or sell it at a profit to someone with less patience.

www.reuters.com

Tesla used car prices are finally dropping

Tesla used car prices are finally starting to drop. It’s good for the affordability of Tesla vehicles, but it will...

electrek.co

 

[CRSKTN]

Wow tesla owner forums are quite a mess. What a maladjusted group, it seems quite a defensive bunch.

 

[LS500-18]

If you read up on the /r/electricvehicles, the public electric charging infrastructure is turning out to be a complete clusterpluck, and virtually useless in the cold weather. It will likely get even worse as things age.

Seems like only Tesla has the competence to provide adequate charging network, and while their cars are essentially poorly built Sentra level econoboxes, they are the most viable for many years to come.

Yes you nailed it. I had Teslas from 2015-2021 and just had enough of the **** quality needing repairs way too often. Now have a RAV4 Prime and Lexus ES300h. Would rather be driving Teslas again but their quality is poor, customer service is lacking, service is much worse than dealerships, the cars don't look overly good other than the S, etc. Basically I want some of the Tesla tech (app) and the driving experience but with none of the other BS that goes along with owning a Tesla.

I would much rather drive like an Audi Etron GT or similar but at the end of the day the non-Tesla DC charging network really sucks. We get real winter and especially around Xmas the chargers quit because it's -30C.

I am overjoyed that Tesla is imploding right now, I feel vindicated for the **** I went through and the BS that Elon spewed for years that stupid people believed. I would like to see Elon in jail and Tesla go bankrupt but I know neither of those will happen.

 

[Sulu]

Tesla Can't Advertise Its Cars As Full Self-Driving In California Starting Next Year | Carscoops

A new Californian law bans the use of such terms on cars that can't actually drive themselves

www.carscoops.com

A new law in California is going to force Tesla to change the way that it advertises its Full Self-Driving feature. Beginning in 2023, the bill prohibits manufacturers from “deceptively naming or marketing” such features. That means that Tesla might have to rename the feature in California too.

Good, and about time this was done (and enforced).

The bill, SB No. 1398, signed by Governor Gavin Newsom specifically does two main things regarding autonomous driving technology and the automakers that offer it. Firstly, it requires any such automaker to provide the buyer or owner with a consumer notice that describes the functions and limitations of those features.

That’s in line with multiple studies that find consumers are regularly uncertain of the autonomous driving features in their own vehicles. The second part of the bill specifically prohibits “a manufacturer or dealer from deceptively naming or marketing these features, as specified.”

But will the notices be written in clear, concise, easily-understood language or will the automakers be allowed to get away with wishy-washy descriptions that really do not help?

 

[Och]

The whole "self driving" nonsense should just be banned all together.

 

[Tragic Bronson]

I am overjoyed that Tesla is imploding right now, I feel vindicated for the **** I went through and the BS that Elon spewed for years that stupid people believed. I would like to see Elon in jail and Tesla go bankrupt but I know neither of those will happen.

For Elon, its a December to Remember!

 

[spwolf]

Hello! Is this Tesla hate thread? lol.

I would like to see Elon in jail and Tesla go bankrupt but I know neither of those will happen.

why in the world would you want that, because of Twitter? And why would Elon go to jail? wtf.

 

[CRSKTN]

Hello! Is this Tesla hate thread? lol.



why in the world would you want that, because of Twitter? And why would Elon go to jail? wtf.

Because he actively lying to investors, making statements through Twitter manipulating markets and toying with the investments of millions of people? That's not to mention all the sociopolitical issues he is actively pushing.

 

[spwolf]

If you read up on the /r/electricvehicles, the public electric charging infrastructure is turning out to be a complete clusterpluck, and virtually useless in the cold weather. It will likely get even worse as things age.

Seems like only Tesla has the competence to provide adequate charging network, and while their cars are essentially poorly built Sentra level econoboxes, they are the most viable for many years to come.

you have to understand - public charging infrastructure is better than ever before. So it was worse before. Problems are bigger than that specific new charger from EA that had problems charging in really low temps, quite often you will simply not know if charger you are going to actually works or not. Especially if you are looking for newer >150kw chargers.

It is similar in Europe as well, you have to have 7 apps to check status of various chargers and navigate there manually since nothing is connected to your car, and your car knows ****.

Unless you have a Tesla. In Europe where I live, Tesla just added other public chargers to their nav and will navigate you there if better than Tesla SC.

Both build quality and autopilot are way better than what they were 1,2,5 years ago too.

I think it is simple enough - only EV manufacturers are EV manufacturers, and everyone else just pretends for now.

 

[spwolf]

Because he actively lying to investors, making statements through Twitter manipulating markets and toying with the investments of millions of people? That's not to mention all the sociopolitical issues he is actively pushing.

you want people to go to jail because of "sociopolitical issues he is actively pushing"? People dont go to jail if you dont like them, sorry, maybe in North Korea, and only if your name is Kim Jong.

I do agree he either needs to let go of twitter or tesla, because negative light on him makes people dislike associated companies. Also his eccentricity and no person sparred way he runs his businesses, does not really lend itself to public light. Not to mention that Twitter is not going to change a world, one way or another, unlike his other companies.

 

[LS500-18]

why in the world would you want that, because of Twitter? And why would Elon go to jail? wtf.

Elon belongs in jail for all the lies and stock manipulation for years. Nothing to do with the recent events (Twitter).

 

[Och]

you have to understand - public charging infrastructure is better than ever before. So it was worse before. Problems are bigger than that specific new charger from EA that had problems charging in really low temps, quite often you will simply not know if charger you are going to actually works or not. Especially if you are looking for newer >150kw chargers.

Public infrastructure is growing, but often enough it is being built by companies that receive subsidies, and they give no flying crap regarding maintenance and repairs. If you read up in the comments, everyone is complaining that EA chargers are constantly out of order, and nobody bothers to repair them. It is typical in the US, and perhaps other part of the world, for any types of infrastructure being fully or partially subsidized by the government to quickly dilapidate and fall apart.

So if many of these public chargers are already plagued by issues, things will only get worse as they age.

It is similar in Europe as well, you have to have 7 apps to check status of various chargers and navigate there manually since nothing is connected to your car, and your car knows ****.

Yeah, thats another hilarious thing, I've read in the comments people complaining having to install a bunch of different apps, and having to go through convoluted process to register with each one etc.

I think it is simple enough - only EV manufacturers are EV manufacturers, and everyone else just pretends for now.

Yep, pretty much. Everyone besides Tesla just build half assed EVs for hype and compliance, and then they essentially abandon them and provide no support. They do not invest in charging infrastructure, and often cant even supply parts/body panels for repairs in any kind of timely manner.

 

[Och]

Both build quality and autopilot are way better than what they were 1,2,5 years ago too.
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Perhaps, but they are still crap. Would be great if Tesla partnered up with say Toyota/Lexus - a Lexla Plaid-F sounds hot.

 

[CRSKTN]

you want people to go to jail because of "sociopolitical issues he is actively pushing"? People dont go to jail if you dont like them, sorry, maybe in North Korea, and only if your name is Kim Jong.

I do agree he either needs to let go of twitter or tesla, because negative light on him makes people dislike associated companies. Also his eccentricity and no person sparred way he runs his businesses, does not really lend itself to public light. Not to mention that Twitter is not going to change a world, one way or another, unlike his other companies.

Actually you go to jail for anti social, destructive behavior all the time.

If any of our issuer CEOs did half the stuff he did, we would be working to get a new exec in before we get charged or sued.

This is not a joke.