Reviews: The 2019 Lexus ES 350 & ES 300h

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Okay hell naw. I have to politely say no to the notion that German infotainment is poor. I've used the most recent generation of iDrive system in the F31 BMW 320d. And I tried to have any excuse to use that godsend of a system. It is so intuitive, useful, quick, has very crisp and beautiful graphics. Most of all, and believe me, it gave me so much joy as it was fun to use. Any opportunity that I had to work with the system, I would immediately use it. I mean, my lord is that system legendary.

Now I've played with Lexus' infotainment as well, I don't understand the hate. It just needs getting used to. It could be better, but it isn't that bad.
 

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I still maintain that the vaunted German systems are just as bad, it's just people have been trained by the media to think they're acceptable. This is why everyone regardless of brand wants CarPlay/Android Auto, because those two kneecap the OEM infotainment and move it out of your way.
I was surprised few years ago that my friends Mercedes C (210) and VW Passat (2011) didn't have bluetooth to play music. Even my old 2010 Peugeot 207 had bluetooth music ability. It's even better than in my girlfriend's new škoda Octavia.
 

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I like May Watson's reviews
He said it's quality is not as good as it's European main competitors E/5/A6/S90/XF and this is the truth, we all know that Toyota and Lexus concern more with the fit and finish of there RWD cars than the FWD ones
Also we all know that the ES won't hold a candle in handling and performance compared to the Europeans.
ES is a total marketing mess!!!
 

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ES 300h features less expensive materials than Ls500h. But it's reasonable.
What is not reasonable is that ES300h is on a different league in terms of refinement compared to Ls500h!

Furthermore, at ES300h price range all European competitors use subpar cheapo materials, which is embarrassing but that's how it is. ES300h is not exception, but still has more quality than competitors. It is the most important car in Lexus history and don't have any illusion about that.

Btw, should stop this foolish agenda arguing about which manual controlled infotainment system is better. The only ones that make sense are those who interact the natural way a human co-driver would, such as full time Alexa.
 
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Also we all know that the ES won't hold a candle in handling and performance compared to the Europeans.
ES is a total marketing mess!!!

This can't be further from the truth. Have you even driven a 7ES alongside a S90/A6/5 series/E-class? It is one of the most driveable and dynamic full-size sedan you can buy, unless your definition of handling is lap times, which none of the products you mentioned are designed for anyway.
 

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I said it before a lot of time and will say it again now

ES belongs to Toyota not Lexus

Toyota didn't create Lexus for this purpose
 

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2019 Lexus ES 350 First Test: Luxury Sedan Revisited
Comparing the new F Sport to the regular V-6

Lexus is slowly infusing more emotion into its lineup, first with the introduction of the RC and LC coupes and then the youth-oriented UX crossover. Now it's attempting to bring some of that piquancy to the ES, which has long been haunted by its "staid sedan" image. Entering a new generation, the 2019 Lexus ES benefits from more powerful engines and a new F Sport variant. After driving the hybrid ES several months ago, we tested two V-6 models, one with the F Sport badge, to find out whether Lexus has successfully reinvigorated its midsize sedan.

The transformation starts with some skillful plastic surgery to the front face. You definitely won't mistake it for anything other than a Lexus, but the standard grille has changed with more fluid vertical lines that replace the previous model's boring straight horizontal bars. F Sport variants receive an interesting mesh pattern, and in the rear, a trunk lid spoiler. Look for slimmer headlights and taillights on all models, as well as sharper window trim. Sitting on a new platform, the sedan is longer, lower, and wider than its predecessor. It's the same length and wheelbase as the Toyota Avalon, and you can feel its large size in tight turns.

We tested two front-wheel-drive versions: the highly contented ES 350 with the Ultra Luxury package and the ES 350 F Sport. Both come with a 3.5-liter V-6 making a healthy 302 hp and 267 lb-ft of torque. Our F Sport model distinguishes itself with 19-inch wheels instead of 18-inchers. It also has an adaptive variable suspension—available as an exclusive option on this trim—with extra drive modes including Sport, Sport+, and Custom.

The F Sport may have a few extra performance goodies, but at least when you look at the numbers, it performs quite like the standard V-6 model. No matter which option you choose, acceleration will be on target with other comfort-oriented luxury sedans with V-6 engines. In the 0-60 run, the Ultra Luxury hit 60 mph in 6.1 seconds, and it took the F Sport model 5.9 seconds. The 2018 Acura TLX SH-AWD split the difference with a time of 6.0 seconds in A-Spec guise. Another rival, the 2017 Kia Cadenza SXL, took 6.5 seconds. Even slower, a 2019 Lexus ES 300h tester sauntered to 60 in 7.8 seconds. The difference is excusable, however, as it has a four-cylinder hybrid powertrain making just 215 hp.

The sedans did fine in the figure eight. Each clocking a time of 26.2 seconds at 0.67 g, the two Lexuses rounded the bends more quickly than the Acura (25.8 seconds at 0.71 g) and the Kia (27.6 seconds at 0.63 g). The hybrid Lexus was slower: 28.4 seconds at 0.60 g.

Of course, numbers don't tell the whole story. Both models suffer from numb steering, among other issues. Road test editor Chris Walton called the handling course a "terrible experience" in the Ultra Luxury. "If I get on the throttle too soon coming off either skidpad, it spins the unweighted wheel and upshifts to third (botching the lap)," he noted. "Substantial dive under braking, but once the weight comes off the front tires, [there is] tremendous understeer in the corner (8 of 10) where the body motions are not well controlled and the throttle response is super lazy; it can be measured in seconds rather than fractions of a second." He said the F Sport had similar issues but better body control and slightly less dive while braking.

Although the test team noted front-end dive, the brakes bite down smoothly on demand, and the cars stopped straight. It took the Luxury model 119 feet, and just 114 feet for the F Sport. The stopping distances are on par with the Acura at 118 feet, and better than the Cadenza at 121 feet. Sadly, it took the hybrid Lexus 140 feet to come to a full stop.

Now that we know how the ES compares to other sedans, let's take a closer look at how well the F Sport lives up to its name. It exhibits a firmer ride and superior acceleration on the highway, and benefits from a heartier engine noise. But throttle response lags a little when getting up to speed. The F Sport's Sport+ mode makes a noticeable difference in steering feel, which is normally less than communicative on both models, even in their lesser sport modes. The aggressive transmission makes itself more noticeable on the F Sport model than on the Ultra Luxury, though the test team noted quite a bit of spacing between first and second gears, and second and third gears on the latter.

Unfortunately, the ES rides a bit louder than we'd like, particularly the F Sport model, which doesn't control wind noise as well. On both models, you'll hear quite a bit of road noise at 65 mph on the highway. That said, the sedans benefit from excellent forward visibility, with no bulky pillars in the way and side mirrors that are just the right size.

The Lexuses failed to live up to their EPA ratings in our Real MPG tests, though both came close. The Ultra Luxury achieved 20.3/35.8/25.2 mpg city/hwy/combined, below the EPA's 22/33/26 mpg. Results for the F Sport came back at 20.2/32.1/24.3 mpg, lower than the EPA rating of 22/31/25 mpg.

Despite the potential fuel economy setback, I'm normally more inclined to take an SUV than a sedan on a weekend getaway. Still, the ES Ultra Luxury proved a capable tour guide on a recent trip to Nevada. My passengers found plenty of legroom in the back seat, and though it doesn't cushion you from every bump in the road, the ride was comfortable enough to make the hours fly by. The cargo bay held luggage for four people, plus our bulky rock climbing gear. The long trip was the perfect time to test out the cruise control system. Turns out, it can be slow to get up to your preset speed when traffic has cleared and the car ahead of you has zoomed forward. As with many systems, it doesn't always get the spacing quite right.

But that's a small qualm when I think of the extremely comfortable seats. I was able to drive for five hours without back discomfort, whereas it usually takes only a few hours to get squirmy in the seats of my long-term Volvo XC60. Our tester came with semi-aniline leather seats, which are standard on the Ultra Luxury model. The F Sport's seats, which have extra bolstering, aren't quite as comfortable.

In either tester, the interior is a pleasant sight, with natural-looking wood accents on the Ultra Luxury and aluminum trim on the F Sport. And although the optional 12.3-inch central display has crisp graphics, it is frustrating to use. The touchpad is difficult to operate, and there are too many menus and too much toggling required just to select music. Lexus finally introduced Apple CarPlay on the ES, but it still doesn't offer Android Auto. Having an Android phone, I was out of luck, though calls came through pretty clearly with Bluetooth during my drives. The rearview camera proved handy while parking. I enjoyed the setting with one side of the screen providing a classic rear view and the other side giving a top-down look of the car pulling into a space.

While we may take issue with the handling, the Lexus ES has the luxury amenities to make drivers feel as pampered as luxury drivers should. The F Sport adds a little extra flavor to the model line in terms of slightly better acceleration, braking, and body control, but with some sacrifices to seat comfort, ride quality, and fuel economy. It doesn't move the needle that drastically when it comes to performance numbers. Like in the past, the ES is best at being a comfortable sedan, and that's not a bad thing.
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/lex...350-first-test-review-luxury-sedan-revisited/
 

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2019 Lexus ES 350 Is an Attractive Luxury Sedan with a Single Frustrating Flaw
What, exactly, are Lexus customers to make of the ES 350's infotainment system?

Making a Pleasant Impression
If you can abide with the infotainment system's quirks, the ES 350 also represents a good value. Prices start at $40,625, and the sticker for our mid-level Luxury trim level test car only went a short way past $50K with plentiful options, including a $2900 Mark Levinson audio system with navigation, $1515 LED headlights, a $550 foot-activated self-opening trunk, a host of active-safety tech, and more. Cohesive and luxurious, the ES 350 is exactly what we think a Lexus should be—one that, with its latest redesign, is now a fetching thing to look at.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a22839651/2019-lexus-es350-by-the-numbers/
 

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When is the refresh 2020 Lexus RX debuting though? I thought for sure they will show it at New York auto show.
I did, too, or maybe at Shanghai alongside the LM. My thinking is that it'll make a quiet, non-auto show debut on the myriad official Lexus online newsrooms sometime between now and late September.

If Lexus does go with a major auto show debut for the RX refresh, the next one on the calendar is Frankfurt (press days 10 & 11 September).
 

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When considering auto shows... most automakers, and primarily luxury brands, want to have their own "lifestyle events" these days, where they can create a more thoughtful experience and get 100% of the focus. Not sure if an RX refresh would warrant such a measure, but it could.

I think ES with Torque Vectoring AWD is also supposed to debut for 2020. In terms of off road ability, I have unfortunately seen mixed review of this system on the Rav4 Limited and Adventure, so I'm interested to see how it performs in a more performance oriented vehicle. I'd love for it to be lockable in a 50:50 ratio front to rear, but... we'll see. While GR is an older engine and I know many of us are eager for a replacement, I have no qualms with this engine in a passenger car like the ES. It's higher revving, smooth, sounds great and is relatively efficient. It is SUV applications like RX and Highlander where I'd like to see something with more torque.

I think ES F Sport with DTV AWD could be a very appealing car.
 

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I am hearing RX gets a touchscreen option this year at the refresh. If so, it would be nice if ES gets it too. That change would quell some of the distaste for Remote Touch.

I don't know how I feel about that. I would rather it not have a touch screen. Less to potentially go wrong a few years down the road. Having driven touch screen and non touch screen cars I would rather have the remote controlled system.

But I understand what you're saying about the reviews. Every Lexus vehicle that gets reviewed the one thing that sticks out is how much the reviewer hates the infotainment system.
 

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I don't know how I feel about that. I would rather it not have a touch screen. Less to potentially go wrong a few years down the road. Having driven touch screen and non touch screen cars I would rather have the remote controlled system.

But I understand what you're saying about the reviews. Every Lexus vehicle that gets reviewed the one thing that sticks out is how much the reviewer hates the infotainment system.
Reviewers probably don't know how to/take time to .. adjust sensitivity, haptic feedback, etc. Nor do they spend enough time with the system to get a good feel for it. It is largely a matter of time and getting use to it to be able to navigate it quickly and effectively. There is a learning curve, but with time, speedy adjustments become second nature. There is so much negative press about it, people hate it just because it is ... before they even touch it ... Yes, pun intended!
 

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Reviewers probably don't know how to/take time to .. adjust sensitivity, haptic feedback, etc. Nor do they spend enough time with the system to get a good feel for it. It is largely a matter of time and getting use to it to be able to navigate it quickly and effectively. There is a learning curve, but with time, speedy adjustments become second nature. There is so much negative press about it, people hate it just because it is ... before they even touch it ... Yes, pun intended!

You're correct. My current '17 IS200t is the 4th vehicle I've had using this system and I don't really mind it at all anymore.

Here's another review I just saw today.

https://www.motor1.com/reviews/345470/2019-lexus-es-review-pro-con/
 

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When considering auto shows... most automakers, and primarily luxury brands, want to have their own "lifestyle events" these days, where they can create a more thoughtful experience and get 100% of the focus. Not sure if an RX refresh would warrant such a measure, but it could.
While this is definitely true, an Automotive News article reminds us that Toyota and Volkswagen remain more committed to the traditional auto show launch model than most other carmakers.
 

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US twin test: Lexus ES vs Volvo S60
Can sedans - saloons - still cut it in today's age of crossovers and SUVs?

So much so, all four people who drove both cars said they would prefer the ES sedan over the Volvo T8. Which is as much about how bad the Volvo was. None of them other than me had a later go in the T6, which was way better sorted than the T8. But, if I was pressed on the day, I’d have taken the understated Lexus over the Volvo, too, despite the Swede’s undeniably greater kerb appeal and major on-paper advantages.

In fairness to the US’s latest transplant, Volvo says we should wait until we have driven a full production version of the T8 before passing any more judgement on it. They say software fixes are on the way, so let’s give them the benefit of the doubt. For now.

It won’t make any difference to 2019 sales – as previously mentioned, T8 production is sold out this year – but it does show how tricky it is to get the product right straight away. If they need any help they should take a short drive over to Kentucky – or take a flight over to Lexus’s hybrid centre in Japan – to see how it’s done properly. With hybrids being a major staple of the future Volvo – and Polestar – line ups, it’s something that needs urgent attention.

What also needs a second look is people’s choice of vehicle. The almost default social expectation that your next ride will be a crossover or an SUV, and that all sedans are good for nothing other than Uber, is clearly wrong.

If you actually need the extra space or off-road performance of a crossover or SUV, fine. But if you are just slavishly buying one because your neighbours have one, think again. A sedan is still the best, most comfortable, economical, fun way to transport four people. If you haven’t tried one for a while, give it a go - we know you’ll like it. Just steer clear of the T8 for now…
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/usa/us-twin-test-lexus-es-vs-volvo-s60
 

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2019 Lexus ES 350 Review: Reveling in the Sound of Silence
A perfect insulator from the chaos of the modern world.

On a far better note, the ES 350’s powertrain is sublime. The new DOHC V-6 is a gem, subdued at low revs but growling nicely if you prod it, the 302 horses not excessive but plenty sturdy. The eight-speed automatic dances well, too. Lexus claims a zero-to-60-mph time of 6.6 seconds, but the ES feels a good bit quicker than that. There’s a Sport mode available plus paddle shifters behind the wheel that you can use to summon manual gearchanges, but I rarely used them, and I can’t see many buyers doing so, either. This new ES may hustle far better than any of its predecessors—really, despite the pliable ride it handles darn well if you push it—but that’s not what it was designed to do. Instead, leave it Normal, keep the transmission in Drive, and you’ll enjoy a driving experience that’s exceptionally polished and rarified, especially in this price range.

Any car that can insulate me from the unrelenting crowds and clamor of Los Angeles gets a thumbs-up in my book.