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Do they know wearing masks is bad for healthy people?
How do you figure? I haven't heard that from anywhere.
Do they know wearing masks is bad for healthy people?
How do you figure? I haven't heard that from anywhere.
New TLX, New IS, New 4 series and new C class all upcoming. Lexus better try to compete. New Z is already being predicted to give Supra a run for its money.
Interesting times.
But it will look nicer haha.The Z won't do jack against the Supra.
Nah it won't. The Supra looks hot.But it will look nicer haha.
What else would you like to know? ;DTell me more.🍿
Who knows, but I think the C8 did more against the Supra. The C8 demand is still there, while Toyota has incentives for remaining 2020s. For the Z, it could be the same story, but the Z still has a following too. If it is priced right, I can see 2002 happening again, when the 350z was brought back.The Z won't do jack against the Supra.
Who knows, but I think the C8 did more against the Supra. The C8 demand is still there, while Toyota has incentives for remaining 2020s. For the Z, it could be the same story, but the Z still has a following too. If it is priced right, I can see 2002 happening again, when the 350z was brought back.
The C8 also costs at least 10 thousand dollars more than the Supra. Then, if one were to equip a C8 to have comparable features against the Supra it costs well north of 75 or even 80 thousand dollars.
The Supra demand is still there too, but note that the Supra is an even more specialized car than the C8. The sales numbers even prove it. The Corvette is the perennial American sports car, meaning, this is a car that many people buy anyways. For what it is, the Supra is holding its own very well against the competition in terms of sales.
The Supra is selling way more than the Z anyways. But, the reason why the Z still exists because you can buy one brand new for under 30 thousand dollars. The only appeal to the Z is the V6 and the manual. Everything else is simply not acceptable. You can't make the same argument about the Supra however. Everything in the Supra is a class (more like two classes) above the Z in terms of engine, transmission, chassis tuning, interior and exterior materials and styling, infotainment, safety, and much more.
I'm only discussing about the current Z. The new Z will probably employ the VR30 twin-turbocharged V6 that's in the Infiniti Q50/Q60. But even then the Q50/Q60 with the V6 is no match compared to the BMW 3-Series and 4-Series with the B58. The Supra takes that engine and cranks it to 11.Are you confirming details for the current Z or the upcoming Z? If the later, darn they`re keeping the same powertrain yikes
Talking like a true BMW fanboy. The Nissan is a 100% Nissan true to its roots. The Supra is the best BMW, Z4 Coupe.
The Supra lacks transaxle to be perfect, and has MacPherson instead of double wishbone.
Supra demand is at a crossroads right now with the 2021s coming soon. But like we've seen here, a lot of dealers still have theirs and many weren't selling because they had markup (YMMV, my local dealer had a $2K adjustment). While yes, the C8 and Supra have their own respective followings, its hard to compare the costs. The Vette starts at $60k, but most Vettes arriving are priced higher with options. AFAIK, C8s are sitting long and Chevy isn't having to put discounts yet. I find it strange that Toyota had to offer 0% and hidden incentives, but that's the reality of today's market.The C8 also costs at least 10 thousand dollars more than the Supra. Then, if one were to equip a C8 to have comparable features against the Supra it costs well north of 75 or even 80 thousand dollars.
The Supra demand is still there too, but note that the Supra is an even more specialized car than the C8. The sales numbers even prove it. The Corvette is the perennial American sports car, meaning, this is a car that many people buy anyways. For what it is, the Supra is holding its own very well against the competition in terms of sales.
The Supra is selling way more than the Z anyways. But, the reason why the Z still exists because you can buy one brand new for under 30 thousand dollars. The only appeal to the Z is the V6 and the manual. Everything else is simply not acceptable. You can't make the same argument about the Supra however. Everything in the Supra is a class (more like two classes) above the Z in terms of engine, transmission, chassis tuning, interior and exterior materials and styling, infotainment, safety, and much more.
Supra demand is at a crossroads right now with the 2021s coming soon. But like we've seen here, a lot of dealers still have theirs and many weren't selling because they had markup (YMMV, my local dealer had a $2K adjustment). While yes, the C8 and Supra have their own respective followings, its hard to compare the costs. The Vette starts at $60k, but most Vettes arriving are priced higher with options. AFAIK, C8s are sitting long and Chevy isn't having to put discounts yet. I find it strange that Toyota had to offer 0% and hidden incentives, but that's the reality of today's market.
Also, the current Z is old so of course, a new Supra should sell better than a car with tech from 2008/9. I would hold off judgment until the 400Z or whatever its called to be released and see how they fare (how much the ADMs will be, etc.). That manual might make the Z more appealing than the Supra.
Another tidbit, the Supra GRMN is still being developed as we speak. It's most likely going to have a manual (because every single Toyota GRMN model, even the ones that were offered in automatic only, had a manual), and will derive a lot of technology from the Supra GT4 racecar. What does that mean you may ask? It will have a similar powertrain (we're not sure if it's going to be more or less powerful than the Supra GT4) and a lot of elements will be stripped out of the car to reduce weight, and that won't be all either. Those are just a few elements that we will expectedly see in the Supra GRMN in a few years time.
Do you know if Toyota will make a special edition paying homage to the previous generation Supra?
I don't understand the MacPherson strut comment. Suspension geometry doesn't dictate handling directly, it's all in the details. Sure the difference between non-independent and independent is huge, but among independent suspensions It's really about execution. Struts aren't automatically worse than double wishbones, otherwise Porsche won't be using them. Rally cars use struts on all four corners and they have the most amazing suspension systems in all types of motorsport.
I feel going with struts on the Supra is helpful for tuners. A more compact suspension makes it easier to work on the engine, which most tuners will be spending their money and time on. More space for big turbos or even V8/V12 swaps (which would be very hard with double wishbone). Tuners would definitely appreciate that.
Exactly. Porsche also has simple struts in the front for the Cayman and Boxster, and we all know that they handle beautifully as well.
So does the GT86/BRZ. Yet the best handling BEV (Porsche Taycan) has double wishbone. It is all about choice, what is the best for the case. When financials are part of the equation, I automatically rule that decision out.